Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-14 14:36:13 +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Vincent Lefevre [2022-01-14 12:20]: > > On 2022-01-14 11:05:14 +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > > > I do not see anything that is "against" the RFC5322. > > > > You misread it. See my other replies. > > > > > It MAY, and it MAY NOT. There is no stric

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-15 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:26:36AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix (commit 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is contrary to RFC 5322, and non-standard prefixes are annoying in practice and not necessarily recognized by other

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:05:14AM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: >The "Subject:" field is the most common and contains a short >string identifying the topic of the message. When used in a >reply, the field body MAY start with the string "Re: " (an >abbreviation of the Latin "in re", mea

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 09:10:19AM +0200, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:20:55PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy (ke...@8t8.us) > wrote: > > > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the > > practice is getting more common. > > Other prefixes have also long

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 04:27:10PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 09:25:27PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:57:37PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > > > Kevin J. McCarthy wrote on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 > > > at 23:20:55 EST in : > > > > > > > I've be

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 09:37:06AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2022-01-13 19:41:12 -0800, Will Yardley wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 09:42:27PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > > > Perhaps language from RFC5322 Sec. 3.6.5 should be imported into the > > > docu

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 09:25:27PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:57:37PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > > Kevin J. McCarthy wrote on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 > > at 23:20:55 EST in : > > > > > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the > > > practi

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:26:36AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix > (commit 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is > contrary to RFC 5322, and non-standard prefixes are annoying > in practice and not necessarily r

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Friday, 2022-01-14 14:36:13 +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > > > It MAY, and it MAY NOT. There is no strict rule to it. > > > > Indeed, it doesn't say "MAY NOT", so that "Re: " is not forbidden. > > But this does not mean that other prefixes are allowed. > > Quite contrary, my understanding is

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Jean Louis
* Vincent Lefevre [2022-01-14 12:20]: > On 2022-01-14 11:05:14 +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > > I do not see anything that is "against" the RFC5322. > > You misread it. See my other replies. > > > It MAY, and it MAY NOT. There is no strict rule to it. > > Indeed, it doesn't say "MAY NOT", so that "

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-14 11:05:14 +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > I do not see anything that is "against" the RFC5322. You misread it. See my other replies. > It MAY, and it MAY NOT. There is no strict rule to it. Indeed, it doesn't say "MAY NOT", so that "Re: " is not forbidden. But this does not mean that oth

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-14 09:49:12 +0100, Fredrik Gustafsson wrote: > That's already the case. For example in Sweden, "Sv:" is used instead of > "Re:". This is not a mutt decision and > the decision is already made for us. We can like it or dislike it. Fortunately most people do not use it. In my mail archive

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-14 09:10:19 +0200, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:20:55PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy (ke...@8t8.us) > wrote: > > > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the > > practice is getting more common. > > Other prefixes have also long been used b

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Fredrik Gustafsson
Den fre 14 jan. 2022 kl 09:38 skrev Vincent Lefevre : > Imagine that any language (including those in a non-Latin script) > would like to use its own reply prefix, and the complexity to handle > that... > That's already the case. For example in Sweden, "Sv:" is used instead of "Re:". This is not

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-13 21:25:27 -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:57:37PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > > One is confined to the content of a message and the other affects > > critical message metadata that is often displayed in abbreviated form. > > "Critical message metadata"

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
gt; "Re: " and while that looks horrid to my eye, it is not obviously > > violative of RFC5322 and some might like Mutt to be configurable to > > match. > [...] > > Perhaps language from RFC5322 Sec. 3.6.5 should be imported into the > > documentation for $reply_

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-14 Thread Jean Louis
* Tapani Tarvainen [2022-01-14 10:20]: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:20:55PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy (ke...@8t8.us) > wrote: > > > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the > > practice is getting more common. > > Other prefixes have also long been used by some non-Eng

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Tapani Tarvainen
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:20:55PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy (ke...@8t8.us) wrote: > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the > practice is getting more common. Other prefixes have also long been used by some non-English speakers and lists. While it does have its downsi

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:57:37PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: Kevin J. McCarthy wrote on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 23:20:55 EST in : I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the practice is getting more common. Why not give users the option to adjust it, if they deem it app

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:57:37PM -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > I'm not sure the consequences of people using alternative > $indent_strings are as bad as alternative $reply_prefixes, though. One > is confined to the content of a message and the other affects critical > message metadata that is of

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread John Hawkinson
Kevin J. McCarthy wrote on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 23:20:55 EST in : > I've been told other prefixes are often used in some lists, and the practice > is getting more common. Why not give users the option to adjust it, if they > deem it appropriate, for some lists? The reason not to is that the knob

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:20:55PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:26:36AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix (commit > > 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is contrary to > &

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:26:36AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix (commit 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is contrary to RFC 5322, and non-standard prefixes are annoying in practice and not necessarily recognized by other

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Will Yardley
iously > violative of RFC5322 and some might like Mutt to be configurable to > match. [...] > Perhaps language from RFC5322 Sec. 3.6.5 should be imported into the > documentation for $reply_prefix, but even that is oddly permissive > ("When used in a reply, the field body MAY

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread John Hawkinson
atch. Having a check to make sure that $reply_prefix is set only to something that case-folds to "Re: " seems unnecessarily restrictive. Perhaps language from RFC5322 Sec. 3.6.5 should be imported into the documentation for $reply_prefix, but even that is oddly permissive ("When u

Re: $reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-01-14 03:26:36 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix > (commit 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is > contrary to RFC 5322, and non-standard prefixes are annoying > in practice and not necessarily recognized by

$reply_prefix

2022-01-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I strongly disagree with the addition of $reply_prefix (commit 9c1ce59874ce1c8e97d0c5bd71847596dafb1d50), as this is contrary to RFC 5322, and non-standard prefixes are annoying in practice and not necessarily recognized by other users. Sure, a user could already change it manually (or