Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 03:20:57PM +0100, Mihai Lazarescu wrote: > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 17:56:51 -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > > >The majority of the community said nothing at all, which > >suggests (as I suggested) that most people don't actually give > >a $#@! about this, as well the

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-14 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 05:56:51PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: The majority of the community said nothing at all, which suggests (as I suggested) that most people don't actually give a $#@! about this, as well they shouldn't. I'm pretty happy with the turnout. I've re-read the discussion and

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-14 Thread nunojsilva
On 2018-12-13, Derek Martin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 01:18:04PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > >> Then the thoughts of the majority of the community bear >> consideration, especially when based on reason. > > The majority of the community said nothing at all, which suggests (as > I sug

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-14 Thread Mihai Lazarescu
On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 17:56:51 -0600, Derek Martin wrote: The majority of the community said nothing at all, which suggests (as I suggested) that most people don't actually give a $#@! about this, as well they shouldn't. I'll note that in response to Kevin's query, two people (Ariis

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-13 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 01:18:04PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 11.12.18 17:52, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:37:02PM +, Nuno Silva wrote: > > > > Yes, I did not think I needed to say this explicity, but it also > > > > explains why: Because that usage is the one t

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-13 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:41:17PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:23:11PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:51:08AM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > >>But the "reason" supplied by the RFC, which I snipped to emphasize, > >>is a bit weak. > > > >

Re: [Mutt] Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-12 Thread Mihai Lazarescu
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 18:23:11 -0600, Derek Martin wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:51:08AM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 05:29:01PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > > [...]since these are normally secondary recipients of the reply. > > > >It recomments Mutt'

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Will Yardley
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:41:17PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > If you convert the mailing list concept to a group of "To" recipients > instead, the same logic can apply. A sends an email to B,C,D as a group > conversation, "Where should we have lunch today". B may respond to A's > email, bu

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:23:11PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:51:08AM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: But the "reason" supplied by the RFC, which I snipped to emphasize, is a bit weak. I'm not sure why you think that. You, just now, responded to something I said.

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 11.12.18 17:52, Derek Martin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:37:02PM +, Nuno Silva wrote: > > > Yes, I did not think I needed to say this explicity, but it also > > > explains why: Because that usage is the one that corresponds to the > > > stated purpose of those fields. As such it is

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:51:08AM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 05:29:01PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > > [...]since these are normally secondary recipients of the reply. > > > >It recomments Mutt's current behavior, for precisely the reasons I > >gave in support of it

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:37:02PM +, Nuno Silva wrote: > > Yes, I did not think I needed to say this explicity, but it also > > explains why: Because that usage is the one that corresponds to the > > stated purpose of those fields. As such it is the obvious, and should > > be preferred, way

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 09:08:16PM +0100, Mihai T. Lazarescu wrote: > > It recomments Mutt's current behavior > > I disagree on "recommends". Actually "may", as modal verb, is used to > express *possibility* or used to ask or give *permission* (or is used > to make a *suggestion* or suggest a *po

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread nunojsilva
On 2018-12-11, Derek Martin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 08:39:31PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: >> On 10.12.18 17:29, Derek Martin wrote: >> >When a message is a reply to another message, the mailboxes of the >> >authors of the original message (the mailboxes in the "From:" >> >

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Mihai Lazarescu
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 21:08:16 +0100, Mihai Lazarescu wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:29 AM Derek Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 05:31:28PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Thread comment: It's OK to be unaware of the usefulness of RFC features, > > but it does seem o

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Mihai T. Lazarescu
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:29 AM Derek Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 05:31:28PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Thread comment: It's OK to be unaware of the usefulness of RFC features, > > but it does seem odd to pretend that they're not useful just because > > it's only others who

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 05:29:01PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but for the sake of clarity about RFC features, here's what RFC 2822 says on the matter (3.6.3, paragraph 6): [...]since these are normally secondary recipients of the reply. It recomm

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 08:39:31PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 10.12.18 17:29, Derek Martin wrote: > >When a message is a reply to another message, the mailboxes of the > >authors of the original message (the mailboxes in the "From:" > >field) or mailboxes specified in the "Rep

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.12.18 17:29, Derek Martin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 05:31:28PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Thread comment: It's OK to be unaware of the usefulness of RFC features, > > but it does seem odd to pretend that they're not useful just because > > it's only others who need them. > >

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-10 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 05:31:28PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > Thread comment: It's OK to be unaware of the usefulness of RFC features, > but it does seem odd to pretend that they're not useful just because > it's only others who need them. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but fo

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-04 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 05.12.18 00:44, Mihai Lazarescu wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:12:08PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 03:41:12PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > I am curious to know in what context "someone" felt it would > > > make a difference. > > > > The ticket n

Re: [Mutt] Re: Group reply To-vs-Cc recipients

2018-12-04 Thread Mihai Lazarescu
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:12:08PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 03:41:12PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I am curious to know in what context "someone" felt it would > make a difference. The ticket number is 98, but I thought mutt-users would be a better place to hav