Once I grab an IR blaster - I'll add this as an input to myth. If I
run into trouble, then I'll look into how gscanbus does the reset bus
and see what I can do to add to myth.
Elsewise, using test-mpeg2 here is the conclusion for local channels I
can get over firewire:
http://home.eng.iastate.ed
On Fri, 20 May 2005, Mario Limonciello wrote:
Well scratch my not being able to figure out how to get streams out again.
Gscanbus has a reset bus feature, which re-enabled the output. Now
will myth handle this reseting of the bus so i dont need to?
Well... it's all GPL, right? Submit a patch! ;)
Well scratch my not being able to figure out how to get streams out again.
Gscanbus has a reset bus feature, which re-enabled the output. Now
will myth handle this reseting of the bus so i dont need to?
On 5/20/05, Mario Limonciello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To get back on topic here to what
To get back on topic here to what I was orginally speaking of (3250HD).
I got it to output streams over firewire *sometimes*.
I was getting really frustrated with it, and called up TW, and as I
was on hold, suddenly to my surprise I got it to output a few HD
streams. It seems that it will only
On 5/19/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:18:06PM -0500, Lane Schwartz wrote:
> > Attorney General's Office is the one entity which can file antitrust
> > suits under the Sherman Act. This is good because the U.S. Federal
> > Government would shoulder the c
On 5/19/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which brings me back to option 3 and my question from many posts back.
> > Are there legal options we could pursue? Obviously there is always the
> > political path - trying to get Congress to change things for the
> > better. But I also thi
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 02:23:16PM -0500, Lane Schwartz wrote:
> Given those limitations, what options are available to the Myth
> community and developers to either (1) work around those limitations,
> (2) work with the media industry to find an acceptable compromise
> mechanism, or (3) change the
On 5/19/05, kim gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If people want. Frankly, I think discussion of the issues can be a welcome
> >break after endless volumes of messages on how to configure your pvr-350!
>
> I know this is a little offtopic, but I for one find this discussion
> very informative
I
I know this is a little offtopic, but I for one find this discussion
very informative
If people want. Frankly, I think discussion of the issues can be a welcome
break after endless volumes of messages on how to configure your pvr-350!
--
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 01:05:31PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > This I want to be clearer on. My perception was that street DVDs came
> > from only a small number of sources, perhaps even just one source.
>
> No, not at all. I purchased a couple of street DVDs in Mumbai, India
> and brought them
OK, I realize that the broadcast flag, per se, does not apply to DVD's
and other non-broadcast material, but to simplify the below discussion,
I've lumped all the 5C technologies (DTCP, HDCP, D-VHS, CPRM--and even
future "Table A" technologies) under the term, "broadcast flag."
Brad Templeton w
On 5/18/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:40:33AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Brad,
> >First, I'm sorry to have apparently upset you off so much with my
> > observations and comments here. They are not intended to do that. All
>
> Odd. What did I say
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:40:33AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Brad,
>First, I'm sorry to have apparently upset you off so much with my
> observations and comments here. They are not intended to do that. All
Odd. What did I say to suggest I was upset at all? Fear not.
> I am doing is relatin
On 5/18/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 10:49:01AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On 5/18/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > ...and this system doesn't stop that! So why?
> > >
> >
> > All I can say is many people who wrote the spec disag
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:49:07AM -0600, Robert Johnston wrote:
>
>
> Would it be possible for someone to, say, sign the NDA, and write a
> Closed Source/Binary-Only "Input plugin" for MythTV that handles 5C
> (Like the MS Exchange connector for Evolution)?
Generally there is a "robustness" req
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 10:49:01AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 5/18/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ...and this system doesn't stop that! So why?
> >
>
> All I can say is many people who wrote the spec disagree with you but
> I support your rights to go understand their po
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:37:26AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not unbearably harder for small entrants. They can sign the NDA,
> get a copy of 5C and do what they want.
You underestimate how much of a barrier to innovation having to get
Would it be possible for someone to, say, sign the NDA, and write a
Closed Source/Binary-Only "Input plugin" for MythTV that handles 5C
(Like the MS Exchange connector for Evolution)?
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On 5/18/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...and this system doesn't stop that! So why?
>
All I can say is many people who wrote the spec disagree with you but
I support your rights to go understand their point of view better.
Like they say - don't shoot the messenger. I didn't wr
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:07:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>The 'proper' way (as per 5C) to handle this in the system is to use
> a video display device (probably an AGP VGA card, but it could be a
> TV) that has the built in 5C decoding in hardware. That way the data
> remains protected unti
On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, the copy prevention systems don't do anything about that.
> Since it just takes one copy to get out into the underground nets, and
> they can't make an uncrackable system, the only thing these systems do
> is make it harder for ordi
On 5/18/05, Lane Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > DRM requires a system where the default is no copying and only certain
> > exceptions are allowed. That precludes open tools and open source. It's
> > hard to imagine any DRM, even
On 5/18/05, Lane Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you think that a company (which sells Myth boxes) or group of
> developers could bring suit against either the cable/satellite
> companies on anti-trust grounds? The Myth-based company claiming that
> they are being excluded from the HD PVR
On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DRM requires a system where the default is no copying and only certain
> exceptions are allowed. That precludes open tools and open source. It's
> hard to imagine any DRM, even the most permissive, not shutting linux
> tools out of the medi
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 08:22:16PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>I agree with much of what you say but, agree with it or not, the
> folks that make the movies feel they have a right to protect their
> content. They paid millions of buck to get the movie made and do not
> want indiscriminate number
On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:13:26PM -0400, William wrote:
> > > Basically correct (with 'blessed' meaning that the device
> > > does some preliminary transactions to show it's compliant
> > > with the spec) but even once the data is sent from t
On 5/17/05, Tom E. Craddock Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William wrote:
> >>Basically correct (with 'blessed' meaning that the device
> >>does some preliminary transactions to show it's compliant
> >>with the spec) but even once the data is sent from the DVD or
> >>cable box to the TV/monitor i
William wrote:
Basically correct (with 'blessed' meaning that the device
does some preliminary transactions to show it's compliant
with the spec) but even once the data is sent from the DVD or
cable box to the TV/monitor it's still encrypted as per the above.
These difficulies are what is lead
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:13:26PM -0400, William wrote:
> > Basically correct (with 'blessed' meaning that the device
> > does some preliminary transactions to show it's compliant
> > with the spec) but even once the data is sent from the DVD or
> > cable box to the TV/monitor it's still encryp
> Basically correct (with 'blessed' meaning that the device
> does some preliminary transactions to show it's compliant
> with the spec) but even once the data is sent from the DVD or
> cable box to the TV/monitor it's still encrypted as per the above.
>
These difficulies are what is leading m
On 5/17/05, Lane Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that I would do this, nor recommend that others try :)
>
> But how severe are the technical (not the legal) barriers to putting a
> bus sniffer between the cable box and a blessed device, and observing
> how the blessed device replies
On 5/17/05, Lane Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that I would do this, nor recommend that others try :)
>
> But how severe are the technical (not the legal) barriers to putting a
> bus sniffer between the cable box and a blessed device, and observing
> how the blessed device replies
On 5/17/05, Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:21:30AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > I happened to be at Comcast this morning getting a replacement remote
> > for my non-HD box. I managed to run into a fairly knowledgable tech
> > person while I was there. She sa
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:21:30AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> I happened to be at Comcast this morning getting a replacement remote
> for my non-HD box. I managed to run into a fairly knowledgable tech
> person while I was there. She said Comcast here in the Bay Area does
> not enable 1394 by defa
On 5/17/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The document she printed out for me has this address
>
> http://thesource/olrt_v4/forms/openDoc.html?DOCID=54243
>
> but going here online pulls up the front page of some online magazine
> and not what she printed for me.
Hardly surprising. "t
On 5/17/05, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've got an SA3250HD here. Three things have soured me on trying to use it:
>
> 1) Can't change the channel via FW.
> 2) No HBO via FW - even though I pay for it.
> 3) My flavor of Cabopoly (Comcast) may/will chose to disable this at some
On 5/17/05, Mario Limonciello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay folks - good news
>
> I got a call this morning from TW, and they got my box in.
>
> I just ran and picked it up, its a SA 3250HD Explorer, and has two
> firewire ports on the back.
>
> I won't have a chance to test it until I get h
Okay folks - good news
I got a call this morning from TW, and they got my box in.
I just ran and picked it up, its a SA 3250HD Explorer, and has two
firewire ports on the back.
I won't have a chance to test it until I get home from the office late
tonite, probably 9 or 10 or so.
If you folks in
Ditto from another Raleigh TW myth user. Please post on the list
if/when you receive some love from TW.
Thanks,
Justin
On 5/16/05, Phil K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you PM me if you get the box or just send out the model etc... I'm in
> Raleigh and would LOVE to get one of the boxes!
>
>
005 2:32 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Time Warner & Firewire
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>
>> Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tom
Thus spake Mark Knecht:
> My thought here is that the Linux platform may be *too* open to meet
> the basic requirements of 5C. (I'm assuming 5C or some form of it is
> still the overriding specification as to control of copyrighted
> material on the 1394 bus. I've been away from that for a couple o
On 5/16/05, Nathan Poznick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake Mark Knecht:
> > Hi,
> >I've been following this thread sort of remotely. I'm an old 1394
> > guy who worked on a number of the original IEEE specs for that
> > technology so I have an interest. Besides I'm curious about what
>
Thus spake Mark Knecht:
> Hi,
>I've been following this thread sort of remotely. I'm an old 1394
> guy who worked on a number of the original IEEE specs for that
> technology so I have an interest. Besides I'm curious about what
> results I might get here in the Bay Area.
>
>Do you know an
On 5/16/05, Nathan Poznick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake Mario Limonciello:
> > Ouch Nathan - really sorry to hear about the unfortunate news of no SD
> > then with the local co. Have you tried to talking to the reps at the
> > office about getting a software flash to allow SD channels t
Thus spake Mario Limonciello:
> Ouch Nathan - really sorry to hear about the unfortunate news of no SD
> then with the local co. Have you tried to talking to the reps at the
> office about getting a software flash to allow SD channels through the
> firewire?
As I said, SD works fine - it's the HD
Ouch Nathan - really sorry to hear about the unfortunate news of no SD
then with the local co. Have you tried to talking to the reps at the
office about getting a software flash to allow SD channels through the
firewire?
On 5/16/05, Nathan Poznick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake Mario Li
Thus spake Mario Limonciello:
> Nathan, who exactly is your local company?
It's a truly local company - part of the city-operated
Electric/Water/Waste/Cable corporation, not affiliated with any of the
nation-wide companies like Comcast, etc. For the record, it's 'Conway
Corporation'.
--
Nathan
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>
>> Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>>>
>>>
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
> Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
> last year when
Nathan Poznick wrote:
>
>Mine is. The local cable company started blocking out capture on the HD
>channels about a month and a half ago. The SD channels still capture
>fine, but I think they enabled 5C on the HD channels. It's highly
>annoying, since they're even doing it on the over-the-air lo
Thus spake Brad Templeton:
> Most people are reporting their boxes are not doing this, is anybody
> finding that they are? For example, my tv has a 1394 port on it. If
> I had digital cable I could plug the firewire port into that and it should
> get the video even if the copy protection is in pl
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:03:14AM -0400, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> Brian Meehan wrote:
>
> >When I got my Firewire-enabled 3250, (Rochester, NY) I had to go to
> >the office and call ahead first to let them know I was requesting one.
> >They only had a limited number of firewire-enabled ones. Ho
Brian Meehan wrote:
>When I got my Firewire-enabled 3250, (Rochester, NY) I had to go to
>the office and call ahead first to let them know I was requesting one.
>They only had a limited number of firewire-enabled ones. However, only
>the HD channels output anything, and the moment I try to record
When I got my Firewire-enabled 3250, (Rochester, NY) I had to go to
the office and call ahead first to let them know I was requesting one.
They only had a limited number of firewire-enabled ones. However, only
the HD channels output anything, and the moment I try to record HBO,
it stops outputting
On 5/14/05, Tom E. Craddock Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Mario Limonciello wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Howdy,
>
>
> Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighth
Scott Alfter wrote:
>Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>
>
>>When I say local office, I mean the office where you can pay your bill,
>>and they should also have hardware (cable boxes, DVRs, Cable Modems etc)
>>there as well. If no one at the counter can help you (which they wont),
>>tell them youll be
Scott Alfter wrote:
>Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>
>
>>When I say local office, I mean the office where you can pay your bill,
>>and they should also have hardware (cable boxes, DVRs, Cable Modems etc)
>>there as well. If no one at the counter can help you (which they wont),
>>tell them youll be
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> When I say local office, I mean the office where you can pay your bill,
> and they should also have hardware (cable boxes, DVRs, Cable Modems etc)
> there as well. If no one at the counter can help you (which they wont),
> tell them youll be sitting in thier lobby and
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>
>> Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>>>
>>>
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
> Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
> last year when
Mario Limonciello wrote:
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
Mario Limonciello wrote:
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
Howdy,
Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
last year when I first wanted to get a 1394 box; only way I got it
was by going to the local office and waiting fo
> Okay, if the office is open tomorrow, I'll head there
> tomorrow. If not, I'll head during my lunch break from work
> on Monday. I'm also considering grabbing one of these
> 3250HD's off ebay, only 30 or 60 bucks or, and then I never
> have to deal with this headache no matter what cable co
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Mario Limonciello wrote:
>
>> Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>>
>>> Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
>>> last year when I first wanted to get a 1394 box; only way I got it
>>> was by going to the local office and
Mario Limonciello wrote:
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
Howdy,
Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
last year when I first wanted to get a 1394 box; only way I got it
was by going to the local office and waiting for about an hour in
their lobby till I got a manager wh
Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
> Had similar problems as well with TimeWarner/Brighthouse in Tampa Bay
> last year when I first wanted to get a 1394 box; only way I got it
> was by going to the local office and waiting for about an hour in
> their lobby till I got a manager who knew what
Mario Limonciello wrote:
So - I need some ideas here how to handle this.
I got digital cable installed today by Time Warner in Durham NC. When I
had the appointment arranged, the tech was supposed to bring a HD box
with an active firewire port. When the tech got here, he had no idea
what I was ta
So - I need some ideas here how to handle this.
I got digital cable installed today by Time Warner in Durham NC. When I
had the appointment arranged, the tech was supposed to bring a HD box
with an active firewire port. When the tech got here, he had no idea
what I was talking about (gotta love
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