On Thu, 30 May 2002 17:52:55 -0700
"Tony Hain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> > Since I run a small AS :
> >
> > I like this idea.
> >
> > Since I believe in living dangerously :
> >
> > I also think that a /64 should be reserved in the IPv6 address space,
>
> A /64 woul
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Brian wrote:
> Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is
> Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all needing
> telecom of some sort or other..
Try to get DSL here; everyone backhauls to Chicago. And Cleveland is the
25
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> NAS has been nothing but trouble. We are (or were) a Covad reseller, first
> direct through Covad, then through CAIS.
Jeez. About 18 months ago I couldn't even get CAIS to return calls to
their sales department. I guess I'm glad they didn't
On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:24:53 CDT, John Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> way too high, mostly because they have no local POPs. We really need to
> be as close to the top as possible, not because of bandwidth needs, but
> for reliability's sake.
This assumes that "the top" is any more reliable/
On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:21:36 PDT, Vadim Antonov said:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> > Yes, "demonstrating" things to ARIN is remarkably annoying.
> "Demonstrating" as in "getting rid of monstrosities"? :)
Only in the same sense as "defenestrate" means "requesting that ever
Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> Since I run a small AS :
>
> I like this idea.
>
> Since I believe in living dangerously :
>
> I also think that a /64 should be reserved in the IPv6 address space,
A /64 would have no use in the proposed scheme since it identifies a
single subnet. I suspect you really
Agreed. As the architect for a large regional we strive to have full
transit with several large providers (and peer with folks when possible) so
that a single large provider unexpectedly 'biting the dust' or even
experiencing backbone problems won't destroy our network. {Please note:
this is no
As far as I know, the following national providers exist in Detroit:
(This is by no means, a complete list, and some of these aren't "Big
Name" providers, but less likely to go under than John Q Random ISP)
Verio
Winstar
XO
AT&T
Qwest
Covad
Level 3
SBC
I've heard rumors of speakeasy.net, which I
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:53:02PM -0700, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> You either have to pull circuits to the carrier you want or settle for
> someone local much smaller and in many cases much more likely to fail.
Nonsense. Small providers are the ones who are financially connected to
reality,
Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is
Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all needing
telecom of some sort or other..
Bri
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:
>
>
> Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone out
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>
> Yes, "demonstrating" things to ARIN is remarkably annoying.
"Demonstrating" as in "getting rid of monstrosities"? :)
--vadim
> eh, thats nothing. Try doing work in some of the buildings in NY without a
> Union card ;)
"Trade unions are schools of communism."
- Vladimir Il'yich Lenin
--vadim
Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone outside of your market.
The fees associated with reliability (if available) are a function of your
geography. Large providers are concentrating on the markets that are making
them the most money.
If you get a few networks in your area that wa
The hard facts are that carriers want to make money hopefully so they
will locate where the money is. My chances of having closely located
customers is greater in Newyork City say than somewhere distant You
either have to pull circuits to the carrier you want or settle for
someone local muc
Its just that they aren't local and there is no need to pay for
a circuit all the way to Chicago. It seems that so many providers
have moved out of Macomb county. Anyone have any experience with
BigNet? We are talking to them now
-Original Message-
From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROT
> Who can one rely on for connectivity? In general and in the Detroit area?
> I put out a request for bids on T-1's and all the national providers were
> way too high...
Haven't you just answered your own question? I guess if you think
reliable service is too expensive, you're not i
We are finally back. Hmm - Level3 is one of their transit providers:
BGP routing table entry for 199.5.156.0/23, version 531543
Paths: (4 available, best #1)
Not advertised to any peer
3356 13953
209.244.2.230 (metric 200201) from 165.117.1.219 (165.117.1.219)
Origin IGP, metric 4
On Thu, 30 May 2002, John Palmer wrote:
> CAIS sold our account to NAS. They did this about 5 months back. They are
NAS has been nothing but trouble. We are (or were) a Covad reseller, first
direct through Covad, then through CAIS.
The first we heard our lines had been sold was when we called
[ On Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 13:05:18 (-0500), John Palmer wrote: ]
> Subject: Is this list working?
>
>
> Posted a message several times and it never made it out
> Is the list broken?
In the past there have been low-level networking issues somewhere "out
there" that were causing problems wit
CAIS sold our account to NAS. They did this about 5 months back. They are
just now getting around to cutting us over. This involves Covad making some
changes in their switch somewhere.
Back last May, it was PSINet that was selling our account to CAIS. They sent
us an e-mail to announce that they
Posted a message several times and it never made it out
Is the list broken?
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 01:10:58PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
> In a message written on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:27:49AM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen
>wrote:
> > I'd be mildly concerned that people would see "free IP blocks" and start
> > using them even when not necessary. I think allocating
I think Erik-Jan was dripping sarcasm :)
- James
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of Majdi S. Abbas
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:00 PM
> To: Erik-Jan Bos
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Betr.: KPNQwest
>
>
>
> On Thu, M
In a message written on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:27:49AM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen
wrote:
> I'd be mildly concerned that people would see "free IP blocks" and start
> using them even when not necessary. I think allocating them a /24 from
> this block only when they have demonstrated need, and
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:46:16AM +0200, Erik-Jan Bos wrote:
> But the Internet, build on resilient technology, will survive...
Is it?
--msa
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 13122
> Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 11366
> Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:4997
> Transit ASes present in the Intern
On Thu, 30 May 2002 10:58:31 -0400
Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message written on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Marshall
> Eubanks wrote:
> > It would add 30% to the number of BGP address blocks pretty much
> automatically.
>
> How do you come up with that number? O
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:58:31AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
> In a message written on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks
>wrote:
> > It would add 30% to the number of BGP address blocks pretty much automatically.
>
> How do you come up with that number? Of course, we
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:54:36AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-311460,00.html
[snip]
> type. They work for one of the many rival telecom companies who are laying
> their own cables. He calls for backup, but the five colleagues who arrive
> within minu
In a message written on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> It would add 30% to the number of BGP address blocks pretty much automatically.
How do you come up with that number? Of course, we have an issue
with reclaiming existing space, but I think there are a numbe
On Thu, 30 May 2002 09:20:17 -0400
Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In a message written on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Joe Abley
> wrote:
> > I wonder whether the average small, multi-homed ISP who currently
> > lusts after PI space would find all their renumbering nightm
On Thu, 30 May 2002 09:48:50 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 09:20:17 EDT, Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Since you have to connect to two or more providers to get an ASN,
> > and since the whole reason to have an ASN is to inject things into
> > the DFZ it d
On Thu, 30 May 2002 09:20:17 EDT, Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Since you have to connect to two or more providers to get an ASN,
> and since the whole reason to have an ASN is to inject things into
> the DFZ it doesn't seem like it would increase routing table size
> by a huge amount
In a message written on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
> I wonder whether the average small, multi-homed ISP who currently
> lusts after PI space would find all their renumbering nightmares
> reduced to entirely manageable levels by the delegation of (say)
> 1 x /24 PI ne
> http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/May/33528.htm "Qungdag found
> the outside world entirely different when he walked out of the
> Prison of Tibet Autonomous Region after serving his 8-year term
> there...Qungdag opened a teahouse in Lhasa, capital of Tibet
> Autonomous Region. Business soon
: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-311460,00.html
:
: China's cable firms fight deadly turf war
: From Oliver August in Shanying
Recall that this is a place where 'Freedom of Information' is a semi
non-concept. Reporters quote the party line. Newspapers praise
prison as a learning
Apologies, the contact info should have been updated. I will try to get it
updated asap.
We are aware of the problem and working to correct it. We have a very large
customer base of primarily small-medium businesses, generally clueless as to
cyber security. It turns out that the process we ha
> Rob. I fully agree: operational importance, in deed and afaik, for
> commercial as well as for R&E. Let's hope for some 11th hour fix...
If anyone is concerned please feel free to drop me an email.
Regards,
Neil.
--
Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Rob Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Considering the number of messages about companies going bust, this
> one seems vaguely operational for some...
> http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020529/200205292257000882_2.html
>
> There are a number of quotes from "people familiar with the matter,"
Randy,
> > Anyone able to outline a worst case scenario, on what the effect would be,
> > if the KPN network really goes down?
>
> the world ends, we all die, and the universe goes dark
But the Internet, build on resilient technology, will survive...
__
Erik-Jan.
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:28:15AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> > Anyone able to outline a worst case scenario, on what the effect would be,
> > if the KPN network really goes down?
>
> the world ends, we all die, and the universe goes dark
Actually: the universe goes iron ...
-- Arnold (co-
> Anyone able to outline a worst case scenario, on what the effect would be,
> if the KPN network really goes down?
the world ends, we all die, and the universe goes dark
Anyone able to outline a worst case scenario, on what the effect would be, if the KPN
network really goes down?
cheers
eric
>
>
> Considering the number of messages about companies going bust, this
> one seems vaguely operational for some...
> http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020529/20020529
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