Re: ARIN IP allocation question

2002-06-27 Thread Joel Baker
I have contacted Mr. Tarrall privately about this matter (since I happen to work for the ISP in question for my day job...); more than that, I probably can't say without violating NDAs, except that I believe there may have been a breakdown in communications. My *personal* opinion is that wise

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread David Schwartz
My *personal* opinion is that wise ISPs only punt customers to ARIN once they reach the point where they can, in fact, have a normal ARIN netblock assigned directly to them (currently a /20, unless I slept through another change...) The guidelines have a strong preference for

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread David G. Andersen
Technically, you can't sell them to someone else. -Dave On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 07:37:34AM -0400, Ralph Doncaster mooed: There's lots of old C's that aren't being announced any more. You might be able to find one that someone can lend you to use. Strangley a search for portable class C

Re: [Henk.Steenman@ams-ix.net: NOTIFICATION: KPNQWEST disconnection]

2002-06-27 Thread Neil J. McRae
Yeah old news, The AMS-IX announced today that both ports had been re-enabled. I hope that means AMS-IX was paid. Regards, Neil.

Re: [Henk.Steenman@ams-ix.net: NOTIFICATION: KPNQWEST disconnection]

2002-06-27 Thread Chrisy Luke
Neil J. McRae wrote (on Jun 27): Yeah old news, The AMS-IX announced today that both ports had been re-enabled. I hope that means AMS-IX was paid. Nah, another last-minute 2-week stay of execution most likely. Kill it and be done with already. The only ones making money out of KPNQ are the

LINX problem ?

2002-06-27 Thread Peter Galbavy
Not as well connected as I once was and so I can only try from a couple of upstreams, but I have lost all LINX transit traffic... www.linx.net is also failing - which is not a good sign. Anyone know different or better ? Peter

Re: LINX problem ?

2002-06-27 Thread Neil J. McRae
One of the switches went into useless mode. -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Big meetings should never be held at noon!

2002-06-27 Thread Simon Leinen
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:53:38 -0400, Pawlukiewicz Jane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there a way to download _part_ of a BGP table from a router? Sure, using SNMP. The question is whether you'll get the part you want... if you use SNMPv2/3 and get-bulk, and only ask for the columns you are

Re: ARIN IP allocation question

2002-06-27 Thread E.B. Dreger
JB Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:13:50 -0600 JB From: Joel Baker JB My *personal* opinion is that wise ISPs only punt customers JB to ARIN once they reach the point where they can, in fact, JB have a normal ARIN netblock assigned directly to them JB (currently a /20, unless I slept through another

Re: Controlling Spam to the NOC

2002-06-27 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Jeff Workman([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.05.23 16:41:08 +: Hello, Has anybody on this list figured out an effective way to eliminiate, or at least severely limit, the amount of spam that arrives in your NOC? I am aware of solutions such as Spamassassin, Vipul's Razor, and the various

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:56:26AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: My *personal* opinion is that wise ISPs only punt customers to ARIN once they reach the point where they can, in fact, have a normal ARIN netblock assigned directly to them (currently a /20, unless I slept through another

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Daniel Golding
Ralph, Two points, here. One is, Sprint won't peer with you. I'm not even sure who you work for, but rest assured, they will not peer with you. Time spent on this might be better utilized reading some of Bill Norton's excellent intro to peering papers, or, if you work for a company that is

RE: how is cold-potato done?

2002-06-27 Thread Daniel Golding
Andre, What Avi meant is that when you use routing policy (like routemaps or the equivalent) to set additive MEDs between POPs, only do it on egress from all POPs or ingress to all POPs. Don't do it on routes both ways. Look at slide 35 - it has all the MEDs being added as from routemaps, as

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread Jeff Nelson
Small ISP or no, how far off are you from begin multi-homed? Growing pains in the Internet are very real--time and money. If you're growing only another /24 in the next 6-12, then you may be able to squeeze that our of your current provider (i.e. buy time to see if DSL will pull in the revenue

Re: Worldcomm network question

2002-06-27 Thread Eric Brandwine
b == blitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b For that and other reasons, Wcom will be bailed out, at taxpayer expense if b necessary, for national security reasons. WorldCom still runs UUNET as well. We carry a significant portion of the backbone, and have many customers that have no other

MPLScon

2002-06-27 Thread Irwin Lazar
I'm looking for folks to participate as speakers or panel members at MPLScon in October in Denver. For obvious reasons, finding peoplewho work forcarriersand cancommit to traveling to Denver has been extremely difficult. If there are any folks on this list who are interested in talking

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread David Schwartz
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:18:50 -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:56:26AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: My *personal* opinion is that wise ISPs only punt customers to ARIN once they reach the point where they can, in fact, have a normal ARIN netblock assigned directly to them

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Ralph Doncaster
I know Sprint won't peer with anyone small. I said in my inital post I don't stand a chance - but who knows, at the rate OC48 prices are dropping maybe next year I will meet the requirements. Attention K-Mart shoppers, WorldCom OC48's on sale in isle 5. ;-) The second point is, whomever you

Re: ARIN IP allocation questionn

2002-06-27 Thread Joel Baker
At the request of my employer, I will be making no further posts on this topic. Disclaimers are apparently insufficient, though I would politely remind everyone reading that I spoke on my behalf only, and not that of the company. --

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread E.B. Dreger
RD Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:57:59 -0400 (EDT) RD From: Ralph Doncaster RD I know Sprint won't peer with anyone small. I said in my RD inital post I don't stand a chance - but who knows, at the RD rate OC48 prices are dropping maybe next year I will meet the RD requirements. Attention K-Mart

Re: ARIN IP allocation question

2002-06-27 Thread Robert Tarrall
Jeff Nelson wrote: - Small ISP or no, how far off are you from begin multi-homed? Growing pains Pretty far off. The reason we went with Viawest is that we're colo-ed in a very good facility (Level3's colo in downtown Denver) and Viawest is multi-homed through TouchAmerica, Level3, and

How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Scott Weeks
I was wondering if any of y'all could give me pointers to services I could use to log into a network during flight on a private airplane. For example a person is in flight cross-country and needs to do a videoconference, send email from his network to interested parties, or any of the normal

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 02:57:59PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: I know Sprint won't peer with anyone small. I said in my inital post I don't stand a chance - but who knows, at the rate OC48 prices are dropping maybe next year I will meet the requirements. Attention K-Mart shoppers,

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm
The FCC prohibits communication using a cellular telephone while in an aircraft in US airspace. In Canada, I don't believe there is such a regulation. From doing research on this topic earlier this year, I came across news articles that say that several aircraft manufacturers have tested the

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Joseph T. Klein
The obstruction to the AGIS ASN was removed by the bankruptcy courts. ;-) --On Thursday, 27 June 2002 16:30 -0400 Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is not news. Remember when AGIS had peering requirements that AGIS could not meet? snip -- TTFN, patrick -- Joseph T.

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
I seem to recall a program on the Discovery Channel [ ;Pp ] where cellphone, FM/AM radio, walkman and CD player emitted radiation possibly could interfere with some old equipment on old aircraft (ie probably precautionary rather than real risk) .. I forget the detail but on an affected plane it

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Scott Weeks
I was mainly thinking of satellite systems, but failed to remember the latency problems associated with them so the videoconferencing example wouldn't work. (not enough coffee today... :) So for latency tolerent apps does satellite work well when traveling at air speeds? If the footprint

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Scott! Several services will do what you want. They are ALL expensive. One of them is Orbcomm: http://www.orbcomm.com They have several FAA TSOed (a.k.a. certified) redios for aircraft usage. With Orbcomm you can send and receive email, weather fax, etc. Echo Flight is one

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Jacob M Wilkens
I'm fairly certain the cell networks won't crash - as demonstrated in some calls made last fall. It's more like they won't be able to bill for the time or keep track of your calls. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent:

Re: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Owen DeLong
The problem isn't logging, billing, or crashing the network. The problem is that the Cells are designed to have a certain area of coverage based on the assumption that the remote station is a ground-based station. When you elevate a station, that station becomes capable of transmitting it's

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Scott! On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Scott Weeks wrote: Also, that the cellular network could crash if cell phones are used at altitude seems like a big security hole to me. Boeing has repeatedly stated that it is not stupid enough to make airplanes that will fail because someone in the back has

Re: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Keith Woodworth
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Joe Abley wrote: |-I couldn't find the energy to go swimming in the Canadian Air |-Regulations, but I did find this in the AIP Canada: |- |- COM 5.14 Pilot Cellular Phone Use During a Radio Communications Failure |- |- In the event of an in-flight radio communications

Re: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Keith Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] A slight addition to this (maybe OT) thread but my wife was being medivac'd on a small jet to a larger medical facility a few years ago, one of the medical fellows on board used his cell phone a couple of times on board while in flight. I asked

Re: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread David Charlap
Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote: The FCC prohibits communication using a cellular telephone while in an aircraft in US airspace. In Canada, I don't believe there is such a regulation. The GTE airfones installed in most large planes have data ports if you must connect a computer. But be prepared

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2002-06-27 Thread owner-nanog
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RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Tony Hain
This probably isn't certified for flight use, but: http://www.kvh.com/products/product.asp?id=60 would provide the uplink with usable bandwidth. The downlink requires: http://www.kvh.com/products/product.asp?id=13 for auto tracking. Tony (who is not affiliated in any way with the manufacturer)

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
At 08:00 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: Pick a strategy and run with it. Being a broadband provider in SE Canada, I suggest sniffing out public peering in NYC and CHI for a start. IIRC, Hotmail and Y! are at AADS and will peer with most anyone -- there's a good chunk of

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread E.B. Dreger
RD Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) RD From: Ralph Doncaster RD For Chicago an OC3 connection to AADS would cost more than RD the long-haul back to Toronto. Given as an example. However the cost/benefit plays out... RD I also prefer ethernet peering instead of ATM. Agreed.

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread Alex Rubenstein
I'm already working on NYC. For Chicago an OC3 connection to AADS would cost more than the long-haul back to Toronto. Interestingly, it's arguable that once you pay for the OC3 (let's say $5k, for sake of arguement) and the AADS port (another $5k), you're at $64/meg, and thats assuming a

RE: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-27 Thread E.B. Dreger
AR Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:53:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) AR From: Alex Rubenstein AR Assuming a more real world utilization of 120 mb/s, at best, At very best. ATM cell tax in mind, I'd expect lower. I just checked Last-Modified on AADS' pricing page, and it looks like it was

Re: Savvis? 14:00 CDT change?

2002-06-27 Thread Larry Rosenman
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 19:28, Larry Rosenman wrote: Around 14:00 CDT (GMT -0500), we noted most of our traffic ingress was through Savvis, not it's normal path. Turning down our BGP session with them, traffic returns to it's normal path. Anyone else seeing weird stuff from Savvis? It

RE: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Joel Jaeggli
sattelite links do not rule out videoconferencing, ip phones etc. large portions of the world live with 700ms or higher round trip times for both voice and data. joelja On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Scott Weeks wrote: I was mainly thinking of satellite systems, but failed to remember the