Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, k claffy wrote: > remark it is also possible for the (forward or reverse) > path to change in the middle of the measurement, > such that traceroute output would lead you > to believe a path that never existed anywhere > on the Internet (i.e., one that is not manifested > in th

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Lane Patterson
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 10:31:12AM -0400, Darrell Carley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to troubleshoot a latency issue for some of our networks, > and was wondering about this.Knowing that routing isn't always > symmetrical, is it possible for a traceroute to traverse a different > re

Re: vrf resources?

2002-10-17 Thread Scott Call
Revised for clarity (I blame the 100.6 fever) > The problem I'm having is that traffic destined for IP addresses within > the VRF Vlan from interfaces not within the VRF vlan (they don't have "ip > vrf forwarding" statements in their interface configurations) which of > course breaks the whole co

vrf resources?

2002-10-17 Thread Scott Call
Hello all. I was recently handed a piece of a network that used VRF to implement vlans. I'm by no means a vrf expert, but the config looks right to me. The problem I'm having is that traffic destined for IP addresses within the VRF Vlan from interfaces not within the VRF vlan (they don't have "

attacking DDOS using BGP communities?

2002-10-17 Thread Saku Ytti
How feasible would these ideas be? 1) Signaling unwanted traffic. You would set community which would just inform that you are receiving unwanted traffic. This way responsible AS# with statistical netflow could easily automaticly search for these networks and report to NOC if both there is inc

Re: [Re: the cost of carrying routes]

2002-10-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:47:12 PDT, Ratul Mahajan said: > ps: since i don't run networks myself, all of this may be something that is > obviously asinine. would be great if someone was to point out if that is > the case, and why. Remember - in most cases, the management of a company *may* have mo

Re: [Re: the cost of carrying routes]

2002-10-17 Thread Ratul Mahajan
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Joshua Smith wrote: > they could probably make some good money if they also charged for 'leaky' > networks - however, i think the sentiment amongst their customers would > not be favorable (you charge for misconfigurations? some nerve you have) > it is probably one of those

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread alex
> > > > > According to definition, is should take the same path, but are there any > > > > > other cases that I should be aware of? > > > > > > > > According to the definition, it is going to show you the path the packets > > > > took from you to the destination, not from the destination back. >

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Arnold Nipper
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 08:43:01AM -0700, k claffy wrote: > > remark it is also possible for the (forward or reverse) > path to change in the middle of the measurement, > such that traceroute output would lead you > to believe a path that never existed anywhere > on the Internet (i.e., one that i

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: >> Unless you did "- g", > Not correct. -g specifies loose source routing on the way *there*, > not back. No, you can get both if you ping *yourself* with the actual destination as -g. this gives you both

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread k claffy
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 07:45:39AM -0700, Stephen Stuart wrote: Traceroute sends UDP datagrams and receives ICMP datagrams in order to show you what it shows you. It is possible for the ICMP datagrams to return via a different path than the UDP datagrams took outbound (it is also possi

RE: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Kris Foster
> a traceroute shows the outbound route. it's possible for the the probe > packets to follow one path and the returning icmp packets to take another > path. a looking glass in the AS your tracing to is a good way to see what > the return path is... The returning ICMP packets may take many differe

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Andy Johnson
There used to be an old flag you could set on an ICMP_ECHO request to record the path the echo reply takes back (ping -R or -r?), but apparently its not used much anymore. Probably just as well.. it could only hold ~8 hops..   Andy - Original Message - From: Darrell Carley

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Martin
$author = "Darrell Carley" ; > > I am trying to troubleshoot a latency issue for some of our networks, > and was wondering about this.Knowing that routing isn't always > symmetrical, is it possible for a traceroute to traverse a different > reverse path, than the path that it took to get there?

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 10:58:03AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to definition, is should take the same path, but are there any > > > > other cases that I should be aware of? > > > > > > According to the definition, it is

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread alex
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > According to definition, is should take the same path, but are there any > > > other cases that I should be aware of? > > > > According to the definition, it is going to show you the path the packets > > took from you to the destination, not from t

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Nipper, Arnold
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > According to definition, is should take the same path, but are there any > > other cases that I should be aware of? > > According to the definition, it is going to show you the path the packets > took from you to the destination, not from the destination back.

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Stephen Stuart
> I am trying to troubleshoot a latency issue for some of our networks, > and was wondering about this.Knowing that routing isn't always > symmetrical, is it possible for a traceroute to traverse a different > reverse path, than the path that it took to get there? Traceroute sends UDP datagrams

Re: question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread alex
> According to definition, is should take the same path, but are there any > other cases that I should be aware of? According to the definition, it is going to show you the path the packets took from you to the destination, not from the destination back. Alex

question concerning traceroute?

2002-10-17 Thread Darrell Carley
I am trying to troubleshoot a latency issue for some of our networks, and was wondering about this…Knowing that routing isn’t always symmetrical, is it possible for a traceroute to traverse a different reverse path, than the path that it took to get there?  …or will it provide a trace of th

Re: Sprint VS. Qwest

2002-10-17 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Well Sprints non-peering policy is second to none if that helps with C&W a close second. :) Steve On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Christopher K. Neitzert wrote: > > List, > > Neither Sprint nor Qwest are serious about earning my business and are not > providing me with their network peering details

RE: Global Internetworking/Switch and Data

2002-10-17 Thread Bob Collie
Let me clarify now that I've done a bit more homework...they have not merged with Switch and Data from my investigations of Switch and Data, they just appear to be a business channel partner with Switch and Data. -Original Message- From: Bob Collie Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:03

Global Internetworking/Switch and Data

2002-10-17 Thread Bob Collie
Is anyone familiar with this company (http://www.globalinternetworking.com) and had any experience with them? They recently merged with Switch and Data (an Equinix-like company) out of Florida. Any intelligence would be helpful. Thanks. -- Bob Collie Education Networks of America p: 615-31