Re: Stumper

2003-01-22 Thread Miguel Mata-Cardona
we used to have that problem here. a big customer from us does many gre tunnels. the problem seemed to be that they were blocking icmp, thus every mtu variation on the way from any point could not be known by the routers making the point unavailable (we actually saw the packets just before ent

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Damian Gerow
(Taking NANOG out, as this is moving a little towards personal conversation) On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:44:26 -0800 "todd glassey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vadim - the instant someone sues a Provider for sexual harassment from > their spam epidemic you will start to see things change. The reas

Re: Stumper

2003-01-22 Thread Dennis Boylan
Sounds similar to my problem with the Linksys cable/DSL router. My problem was that it would work perfectly with NAT enabled, but the minute I turned NAT off, I couldn't get to a lot of sites. I tried a number of firmwares. I even tried to get support from Linksys. But, after a week without any r

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Damian Gerow
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:11:19 -0500 Damian Gerow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (Taking NANOG out, as this is moving a little towards personal > conversation) Apparently, I didn't read my own Cc: line. Sorry, folks.

Weird thing happening

2003-01-22 Thread Dale Levesque
I have been looking at some stats on a router and I am seeing high utilization between 2 routers, I am seeing utilization on one interface of about 60megs up and down, when the aggregate of all other interfaces is about 13megs up and down. The routers that I am using are a Riverstone 8600 and a

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflectiveattacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Andy Dills
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, todd glassey wrote: > > Vadim - the newest form of SPAM uses the Messenger facility to place a > pop-up in the middle of your screen without any email, pop, smtp or other > service being involved. I apologize for the tone of the first posting, but I > still stand by it. When

RE: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Al Rowland
Not to mention that fact that 99.99% of current consumer connections are not up to the task. Standard full-screen video digital stream is ~6Mbps, HDTV requires 19.4Mbps. Don't know many consumers with T3s. ;) As always, it gets down to doing the math, something may dot bombers weren't (aren't) ve

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflectiveattacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Petri Helenius
Al Rowland wrote: Not to mention that fact that 99.99% of current consumer connections are not up to the task. Standard full-screen video digital stream is ~6Mbps, HDTV requires 19.4Mbps. Don't know many consumers with T3s. ;) VDSL or ADSL2+ would cut it, until fiber to the curb gets the nor

Re: Weird thing happening

2003-01-22 Thread Tony Rall
On Wednesday, 2003-01-22 at 12:04 EST, "Dale Levesque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been looking at some stats on a router and I am seeing high > utilization between 2 routers, I am seeing utilization on one interface > of about 60megs up and down, when the aggregate of all other interface

RE: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Chris Parker
At 09:28 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, Al Rowland wrote: Not to mention that fact that 99.99% of current consumer connections are not up to the task. Standard full-screen video digital stream is ~6Mbps, HDTV requires 19.4Mbps. Don't know many consumers with T3s. ;) Drifting off-topic, but those are 'raw

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Max's Lists
speaking of HDSL over copper, does anyone know anything about a company called Rose Tekephone that reportedly has an HDTV over T1 service? - Original Message - From: "Chris Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: RE: FW: Re: I

OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Al Rowland
1. I also remember when web page standards required you to design everything to fit in a 640x400 screen. DTV/HDTV will significantly change your 'not much in the way of image quality loss' yardstick. My viewing habits have changed significantly in the year plus I've been DTV/HDTV. Among other thin

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Vijay Gill
"Al Rowland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > mention the effect everyone on AOL going to broadband and downloading > Disney clips all the time would have on their settlement plans with > backbone providers. Of course, because you are definitely being kept in the loop regarding the AOL settlement p

Re: OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Chris Parker
At 10:58 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, Al Rowland wrote: 1. I also remember when web page standards required you to design everything to fit in a 640x400 screen. DTV/HDTV will significantly change your 'not much in the way of image quality loss' yardstick. My viewing habits have changed significantly in th

Re: OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Scott Granados
Its actually funny you mention this. I'd been working on a way to deliver television via atm for years just never had much interest. But basically by attaching to the cloud and then being able to draw pvc's over to dsl lines it should be quite possible. Don't forget also many of us in given are

Filters on Class B space; is will /19 pass?

2003-01-22 Thread CSTALLER
Fellow Networkers, I have a question regarding current filtering rules/practices on the Internet and prefix length requirements for Class B space. I know that the ARIN space (64/8, 66/8 etc.) must be accepted at /19 or smaller but what about old class Bs? I have a global organization that ha

Re: [spamtools] Tracking a DDOS

2003-01-22 Thread joe mcguckin
Speaking of early networks: I see where Epoch was broken up and sold recently. On 1/21/03 1:48 PM, "Avi Freedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > : So did you aquire those "assets" from clearblue or where the appliedtheory's > : ass

RE: Weird thing happening

2003-01-22 Thread Dale Levesque
Figured it out, it was a stupid mistake on my end. I forgot I shut down a customer (For Spamming) in the colo, but did not null black hole his route so it was sending it to my router that normal handles my customer termination for our Wireless net. And because his spam was successful he was getti

charter.net

2003-01-22 Thread Scott Granados
Anyone clueful at Charter around? Can you contact me off list, thanks!

Security Flaw Exposes 35 Million AOL Accounts

2003-01-22 Thread Sean Donelan
Stones and glass houses. Not to throw stones, but to learn how to build better glass houses. California's SB 1386 doesn't become effective until July 1, 2003. http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1043252353 Security Flaw Exposes 35 Million AOL Accounts By Nate Mook and Craig Newell, Beta

OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Petri Helenius
> Drifting off-topic, but those are 'raw' data rates. Compression algorithms > along with motion-estimation allow you to get full-screen video down to > ~1.5 Mbps with not much in the way of image quality loss. > Raw HDTV is about 1.2Gbps. RAW NTSC SDI bitstream is a few hundred. The 6 and 19.8

Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Hello; On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:04 PM, Petri Helenius wrote: Drifting off-topic, but those are 'raw' data rates. Compression algorithms along with motion-estimation allow you to get full-screen video down to ~1.5 Mbps with not much in the way of image quality loss. Raw HDTV i

aol and 69.0.0/8

2003-01-22 Thread Scott Granados
Anyone hear of aol not allowing in 69.0.0.0/8 addresses. It was just claimed to me but I thought that seemed highly unlikely.

Re: aol and 69.0.0/8

2003-01-22 Thread Jack Bates
From: "Scott Granados" <> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:18 PM > > Anyone hear of aol not allowing in 69.0.0.0/8 addresses. It was just > claimed to me but I thought that seemed highly unlikely. > > 69.8.0.1>telnet www.aol.com 80 Translating "www.aol.com"...domain server (69.8.2.15) [OK] T

Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread todd glassey
Andy - - Original Message - From: "Andy Dills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "todd glassey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Vadim Antonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective at

Re: [spamtools] Tracking a DDOS

2003-01-22 Thread william
Interestingly enough, its also devided between hosting & access. And I remember well another early ISP, where the same happened - Digex I wonder if there is a pattern here for the future ... On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, joe mcguckin wrote: > > > Speaking of early networks: I see where Epoch was broke

can you ping mount everest?

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Cook
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/technology/circuits/23sher.html If you remember my comments about the remarkable sherpa i met in kathmandu relative to the SANOG conference which opens there today, the above URL takes you to a very good story in todays new york times1400 words with 3 pict

Re: can you ping mount everest?

2003-01-22 Thread Mike Lyon
The link wants you to log in with a New York Times login... -Mike On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Gordon Cook wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/technology/circuits/23sher.html > > If you remember my comments about the remarkable sherpa i met in > kathmandu relative to the SANOG conference w

OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Baldwin, James
Something I'm surprised no one has commented on considering the direction of this thread has been should ISPs be responsible for customer actions if they are not allowed to refuse service to customers? I'm surprised this hasn't come up since the latter half of the question also represented a fairl