Indeed many places have multiple padlocks locked together and then
hooked to a chain. Any padlock opened unlocks the chain. This really
only works for chained shut gates, but it's works rather well, and you
can revoke access with the key from an adjacent lock and a pair of
boltcutters.
This is how
> The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the
> failure of a single fiber strand had such an impact on the telephone
> service in the region.
I'd be willing to bet it wasn't a single "strand". More likely the press or
whoever got it wrong and it was an entire cable or
> I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple
> groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell
> :( Its very interesting that the 'critical infrastructure' has seemingly
> loose security on such vital parts.
Actually padlocks are quite comm
Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagin the entire bundle was
cut and the poor splicers had their hands full.
-Henry"Vincent J. Bono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the> failure of a single fiber strand had such an i
Which means that the undersea cable that feeds most of the connectivity
to India (and till recently was, other than satellite, the main
connectivity coming in here), now gets to be open to all comers I guess.
The (former) incumbent monopoly telco VSNL had exclusive landing rights
and reselling
- Original Message -
From: Henry Linneweh
To: Vincent J. Bono ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Sean Donelan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
> Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagin the entire bundle
was
> cut
What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a temporary
solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity
suppliers build very robust systems.
Douglas S. Peeples
Technology Assurance Labs
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that
you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain access
to the site. It's n
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:15:11 -0500 "Douglas S. Peeples" wrote:
> What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a =
> temporary
> solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity
> suppliers build very robust systems. =20
>
> Douglas S. Peeples
> Technology
Please tell me what phone companies you've been working with. As a rule,
the ones I've experienced build whatever is the path of least resistance
and often do stupid telco tricks like folded rings and single entries into
buildings unless you stand over them with a bull-whip and insist that
they do
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 10:07, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the
lock, you'll need a key from an adja
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to put the chain back together, you'll need to open one of the
locks, or add another lock in it's place
Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
> Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that
> you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to g
www.telcove.com
They are running a DS3 'through' our building, enters one side and exits the
other. They refused to run a spur but are adding a loop for us.
>
> I'd love to know of a telco that does this right without
> having to stand
> over them.
>
Ray Burkholder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://
> Scott Call wrote:
> The ethics and/or legality of registering
> nanog.us notwithstanding,
That's what we are talking about, I think. There is value in a name; for
example, Neustar (nic.us) has reserved whitehouse.us (see whois below).
I would not have been too worried about some jerk trying to
This one is my fault. I put in-addr.arpa on the protected list, and didn't
think about operational non-dns infrastructure.
I can't tell you who to talk to over at NS, but since you all have latest
bind, and are cluefull on the VGRS wildcard hack, you all can limit the
effect that the "nanog" has
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>
>
> > Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> > see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
>
> If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the
> lock, yo
Could someone from Road runner contact me off list please?
This is for a routing issue.
Jeffrey Sharpe
CyberLynk Helpdesk and Support
414.858.9335 or 800.942.8022
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I tend to agree, fiber rings when built out correctly have subtending rings to handle
redundancy with extremely low delay times 50ms at worse
-Henry"Douglas S. Peeples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a temporarysolution or bad network de
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:15:11 -0500 "Douglas S. Peeples" wrote:
> > What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a =
> > temporary
> > solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity
> > suppliers build very robust systems. =20
> >
> > Douglas S. Peeples
> Do you use/develop in-house tools to analyze Netflow on your peering routers
> and have that interface in near-realtime with the said routers to null route
> (BGP and RPF) the offending sources?
Source or destination? Null routing source of DOS is not going to do you any
good. Null routing dest
> > > You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
> > > have enabled some form of redundancy.
> >
> > Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*?
>
> You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key?
> That'd be the first place I looked.
The most ama
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Alex Yuriev wrote:
>
> > Do you use/develop in-house tools to analyze Netflow on your peering routers
> > and have that interface in near-realtime with the said routers to null route
> > (BGP and RPF) the offending sources?
>
> Source or destination? Null routing source of DO
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote:
[Regarding somebody's registration of nanog.us]
> I can't tell you who to talk to over at NS, but since you all have latest
> bind, and are cluefull on the VGRS wildcard hack, you all can limit the
> effect that the "nanog" has i
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:13:45 -0500 "Deepak Jain" wrote:
> Are you sure he wasn't talking about customer-buildings? I bet that 10% is
> to their COs and most of the 90% don't pay to have redundant paths to their
> building. If your business case is not sufficient for VZW or another company
> to bui
Well, I understand that this _appears_ to be a marks issue.
However, the operator (NS) is allowed under the regulatory
agreement (quasi-ICANN gTLD contract) to create a reserved
words list, as is the regulator, independent of any other
theory of right.
in-addr.arpa sure isn't copyrighted.
When
Steve Gibbard writes on 11/3/2003 1:08 PM:
Uh... This appears to be a potential trademark law issue, except that I'm
not aware of Merit or anybody else ever claiming NANOG as a trademark.
Presumably, if this becomes a problem (somebody advertising alternate
"NANOG" conferences, for example), Merit
Subtopics: Redundancy, Hunters.
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Robert M. Enger wrote:
> You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
> have enabled some form of redundancy.
If a single fiber cut takes them out, it's not _just_ Qwest's fault.
A service like 911 shou
Based on my knowledge of fiber routes in Western Fairfax and Loudoun
County and also from
my NASA / US Navy days, there is a whole lot of security through
obscurity in the physical infrastructure.
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:43 AM, Alex Yuriev wrote:
You'd think after three previous di
> Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
> [nanog.us]
> This one is my fault. I put in-addr.arpa on the protected list,
> and didn't think about operational non-dns infrastructure.
You can't possibly think of everything (if you could, that would be
scary). Although the .us reserve list is quite extensive,
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:15:11AM -0500, Douglas S. Peeples wrote:
>
> What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a temporary
> solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity
> suppliers build very robust systems.
LATA and ILEC boundaries, along w
Hi,
I see VZ was not kind enough to put any contact info in Jared's NOC list.
They are currently blocking all mail from an ISP customer of mine (based
on the envelope From, not IP), and I need to get someone on the phone to
clear this up.
Sorry for the OT.
Charles
--
Charles Sprickman
[EMAIL P
My understanding is that they started breaking the RFC by refusing mail
with null <> senders last week.
Based on past experience, I wasn't too surprised.
-bob
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Charles Sprickman
Sent: Monday, November 03,
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Bob German wrote:
>
> My understanding is that they started breaking the RFC by refusing mail
> with null <> senders last week.
>
> Based on past experience, I wasn't too surprised.
Heh.
Doesn't seem to be that:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] telnet relay.verizon.net 25
Trying 206.46.170
Bob German writes on 11/3/2003 2:54 PM:
My understanding is that they started breaking the RFC by refusing mail
with null <> senders last week.
Based on past experience, I wasn't too surprised.
Doesn't look like they are doing this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01:31:15 [~]$ dnsmx verizon.net
0 relay.verizo
>
> > That post was rejected because of the words "porn site". This was quite
> > clear from the type of filtering message. I'm sure this post will generate
> > exactly the same reply back to me...
> I'm not sure about that. I spoke with several large ISP abuse desks that
> have you blackholed
As a resident of this area, I can say that the place where this regen hut
is located is *very* rural. Burlington Northern/Santa Fe railroad tracks
pass through a lot of sparsely populated farm land on the route between Mt.
Vernon and Bellingham, WA. Even if the hut is locked with a high qualit
> I see VZ was not kind enough to put any contact info in Jared's NOC
> list. They are currently blocking all mail from an ISP customer of
> mine (based on the envelope From, not IP), and I need to get someone
> on the phone to clear this up.
Verizon is listed in EDDB; I think that I've made th
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) David Raistrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> > see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
> If you want to put the
The Qwest CO in downtown Bellingham WA has a large microwave drum aimed at
Orcas Island in the San Juans. The Qwest tower on Orcas has line of site,
and what appears to be microwave DS3 rigs aimed at both Anacortes and
Friday Harbor. Friday Harbor has a spur of the fiber line (SOUTH of the
cu
I am working on the issue(s) now.
--
Dennis Dayman
Verizon Internet Services Operations
Security and Legal Compliance
--
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> Se
What are the top vendors these days for wireless FSO links?
I need at least 100Mb link over a distance of about 1-2 miles.
Seems like last time I looked at this though, the speeds
were up to a Gig at pretty low cost. Any insights?
Would also accept emails from sales persons if they
can briefly (1
All,
Sorry, to interrupt any off-topic rambles, but I had a client call
last week who had just had some telephone abuse heaped on them, by
somebody accusing them of spamming. It turns out our client had a
netblock assigned to them back in the mid-90's. They used to put on
networking trade show
> "chuck" == chuck goolsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
chuck> Of course I have no hard data, other than my client's phone
chuck> call about another phone call, so I can't query based on a
chuck> timestamp to see where this was being announced from. It
chuck> appears to vanished, and has
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:17:38PM +, Andrew - Supernews wrote:
>
> > "chuck" == chuck goolsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> chuck> Of course I have no hard data, other than my client's phone
> chuck> call about another phone call, so I can't query based on a
> chuck> timestamp to
James Cowie wrote:
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:17:38PM +, Andrew - Supernews wrote:
No announcement for that block has been visible here at any time in
the past couple of weeks (specifically, since Oct 13). We might have
missed it if it was never announced for more than a few minutes at a
t
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:47:44PM -0500, Chris Lewis wrote:
>
[ re: 204.89.0/21...]
> >>No announcement for that block has been visible here at any time in
> >>the past couple of weeks (specifically, since Oct 13). We might have
> >>missed it if it was never announced for more than a few minutes
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hijacked IP space.
> We haven't seen anything from that block in our spamtrap either for at
> least a week.
>
> The .224/24, on the other hand, it a
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:01:09PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> I'm a little puzzled, and I hope people won't object to my asking about
> this.
>
> As I see it, we're experiencing an ever-increasing flood of garbage network
> traffic. While not all of it is easy or appropriate to target, i
Top posting self-reply: looks like a lot of what I've suggested may have
finally been acknowledged by MS, according to a recent Register.co.uk
article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/33599.html
We can only hope ...
--
Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net
illum oporte
At 12:30 PM 11/3/2003, Richard Welty wrote:
how long do you think it'll take anyone to notice the extra locks?
The link I posted showed a *latch* for a door (which could also be used on
a gate if desired), not a series of locks on a chain to chain shut a
gate. With a latch such as this one, you
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Dennis Dayman wrote:
> I am working on the issue(s) now.
The only problem is, you're not getting my replies because you are also
now deferring mail from this ISP as well... It sounds like something is
either a bit overzealous, or more likely, broken.
Anyone else want to dig
Charles Sprickman writes on 11/3/2003 8:29 PM:
Anyone else want to dig around for VZ deferrals?
You mean their 4xx'ing all mail that you send them?
thenose.net is Dennis' personal domain btw - that's not hosted by Verizon.
--
srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.com // gpg : EDEDEFB9
manager, outbla
No, I'm seeing your e-mail's at verizon.net. In fact, you just replied to
one of my inquires. I am researching the issue and will make a reply to you
as soon as I understand what is going on.
-Dennis
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
Getting 550's all day on MAIL FROM: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- noticed it because
we're running billing.
--On Monday, November 03, 2003 20:29 -0500 Charles Sprickman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Dennis Dayman wrote:
I am working on the issue(s) now.
The only problem is, you're no
Scott Francis wrote:
Top posting self-reply: looks like a lot of what I've suggested may have
finally been acknowledged by MS, according to a recent Register.co.uk
article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/33599.html
We can only hope ...
I read that article when it was new, a long articl
OC-48 doesn't have to do with the redundant build.
physical fiber path does.
thus, who will pay for the redundant fiber build.
maybe that should come from the $700 Million the ILEC promised
the state in new investment money, in exchange for relaxed
regulation.
rural or not, capitalism will h
At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix but, you still have to have
JC Dill wrote:
>
> At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote:
> >On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
> > > see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
> >
> >Um, cutting a lock out gets it o
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ray Wong wrote:
> I'm starting to figure that, given the delays, there's been enough damage
> done that 204.89.224/24 will never be able to get off the blocking lists
> anyway, so perhaps I'll turn it back in afterall. *sigh*That's what
> I get for trying to find low-cost ISPs
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:10:27AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ray Wong wrote:
>
> > I'm starting to figure that, given the delays, there's been enough damage
> > done that 204.89.224/24 will never be able to get off the blocking lists
> > anyway, so perhaps I'll turn i
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ron da Silva wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:10:27AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ray Wong wrote:
> >
> > > I'm starting to figure that, given the delays, there's been enough damage
> > > done that 204.89.224/24 will never be able to get off
HN> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:25:12 +0200 (IST)
HN> From: Hank Nussbacher
HN> They view themselves as "leasing" out IP address space.
HN> Although they never reclaim IP address space that has long
HN> since never been announced.
Perhaps if netblocks _were_ reclaimed,
1. Fewer hijackings would h
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