Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Blaxthos
hello, i've been reading nanog-l/inet-access for many many years (just a shadow, i don't post). i am just curious... do you have any authority/commission from arin (or anyone else)? or is yours a rogue vigilante mission? does anyone ask you to undertake the battles you feel justified in

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Blaxthos wrote: hello, i've been reading nanog-l/inet-access for many many years (just a shadow, i don't post). i am just curious... do you have any authority/commission from arin (or anyone else)? or is yours a rogue vigilante mission? does anyone ask you to undertake the battles

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Paul
- Original Message - From: Blaxthos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Authority hello, i've been reading nanog-l/inet-access for many many years (just a shadow, i don't post). i am just curious...

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread trelane
bash.org... bash.org... now where have I seen that... AAH YES! So then a group dedicated solely to efforts at documenting trolling on IRC should be given credibility as to what is/isn't said on NANOG? Yes there are members of ICANN, ARIN, and most tier-1 peers on here. You might even see

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Randy Bush
[ sorry to use your msg as a soapbox ] let us not feed the trolls, they do not understand and just puke it up. procmail is your friend. randy, who did not realize that school vacations began this early

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Joe Maimon
Blaxthos wrote: hello, i've been reading nanog-l/inet-access for many many years (just a shadow, i don't post). i am just curious... do you have any authority/commission from arin (or anyone else)? or is yours a rogue vigilante mission? does anyone ask you to undertake the battles you feel

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Christian Malo
May I add that a lot of NANOG people actually use IRC for many reasons. You would be suprised to learn how many of the people posting to NANOG chat on a daily basis in a certain #nanog channel. Would you be pissed to know that I'm an IRCer and I also own NANOG.NET ? ohh and also, #nanog has

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Blaxthos
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Randy Bush wrote: [ sorry to use your msg as a soapbox ] I appreciate the apology. I think my point is being missed, however (and hopefully this reply will help legitimize the situation). It should be noted that the original post was directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Jeff S Wheeler
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 14:34, Christian Malo wrote: the nanog-l is not WILLIAM LEIBZON's personnal hatered list. If he wants people to read on his stuff, he can just start his own list. Actually, he has his own mailing list, and it is closed to the public. You can read it at

Re: Authority (fwd)

2003-12-10 Thread Owen DeLong
I apologize for further troll feeding, but, I think this warrants some clarification... I take issue with anyone who publicly accuses another entity of wrongdoing beyond his scope of authority. You can take issue, but, there is no scope of authority for accusations. Anyone can make an accusation

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread jon bennett
If people are speeding in my neighborhood, I can not go and take down their pictures, personal information, license plate numbers, etc., post them publically, and accuse them of breaking the law (even if they did!). Yes you can. That's liabel, It is not libel, that they were speeding is a true

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Richard Cox
On 10 Dec 2003 19:49 UTC Jeff S Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | the nanog-l is not WILLIAM LEIBZON's personnal hatered list. If he | wants people to read on his stuff, he can just start his own list. | | Actually, he has his own mailing list, and it is closed to the public. | You can read it

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
I think that most people with clue will realize that every time he mentions or posts something thats about 50-90% innacurate, he damages his own credibility anyways. A lot of the stuff I've seen in regard to this issue is almost comical, and I wonder who picked on him so badly that he decided to

Re: MTU path discovery and IPSec

2003-12-10 Thread Joe Maimon
Joe Maimon wrote: Tony Rall wrote: On Wednesday, 2003-12-03 at 09:38 PST, David Sinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped snipped I was wondering would it not be wiser for fraggers to frag in half instead of just the overflow? snip I noticed today this URL

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread william
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Blaxthos wrote: hello, i've been reading nanog-l/inet-access for many many years (just a shadow, i don't post). Hello shadow of anonymous nanog inet-access subscriber... I do first have to wonder if you have read newspapers or seen tv shows like 60 minutes recently?

Re: MTU path discovery and IPSec

2003-12-10 Thread Barney Wolff
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:43:59PM -0500, Joe Maimon wrote: Packets are fragmented into equally sized units to prevent further downstream fragmentation. For amusement's sake, in response to a challenge from Crist Clark, here's code to do it right. Pretty simple, although I have no idea how

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Note to other - this thread may have happened because of recent thread on layer42 on inet-access mail list. While I generally answer accusations, I'm not the one who starts such threads and do not think its approriate for nanog mail list, so

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Michael . Dillon
i am just curious... do you have any authority/commission from arin (or anyone else)? this is certainly not flame bait, but it is an honest question. you're very self-righteous, and although you may have valid points (i withold judgement) i really want to know what gives you the

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread william
I answered questions posed here on related inet-access mail list thread and there is also info there on my previous post why the accusations had had basis for it. Those who are interested may read it there or in archives and Susan will I'm sure welcome me not taking any more of nanog resource

Re: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Henry Linneweh
This group didn't need anyones permission to form and share idea's and methods that benefits the entire industry, and it was in the time of great need when these things came to pass I see the word's law and legislation and I see people without a clue making law that only benefits those that

RE: Authority

2003-12-10 Thread Michel Py
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I may not agree with everything that William does or how he goes about it, but I do think that his approach is worthwhile. Indeed; I like the economy of ideas concept myself and in this case it might be the only valid initial approach, see below. It gives us a chance to

Google contact

2003-12-10 Thread Jeff Nelson
If someone from Google could contact me, I would appreciate it (or someone give up a good one). Thanks, -- Jeff Nelson Rackspace Managed Hosting Office: (210) 892 4025 x1601 GnuPG KeyID: 0x7DE7C4E0 @pgp.mit.edu AS Caretaker: 10532 15395 25897 27357 30099

RoadRunner contact

2003-12-10 Thread Brian Bruns
Hello all, I dont suppose anyone here might have a direct contact for the people at Road Runner in regards to DNS management and/or their abuse desk? Contact me off-list please. Thanks. -- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam

Whitelisting mechanism in SORBS.

2003-12-10 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Hi All, My appologies for the public post, I'd have rather replied to the individuals who mailed me in response of a previous post, however time has passed and I have a huge inbox, and of course I would like to solicit more entries from those interested and just waiting to see what it is.