Re: Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread David A . Ulevitch
On Jun 22, 2004, at 11:10 PM, Christopher J. Wolff wrote: David, Isn't renumbering an obligation? I am not sure however RFC 2071 Touches on this subject in section 4.2.3 but is ambiguous as to the nature of when the renumber should take place. 4.2.3 Change of Internet Service Provider As m

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread David Schwartz
> David, > > Isn't renumbering an obligation? > > >I wonder if their ARIN application says anything about planning to > >renumber their existing space from NAC into the newly assigned space... > > > >-davidu It's hard to see how his customer failing to meet obligations to ARIN is going

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
David, Isn't renumbering an obligation? >I wonder if their ARIN application says anything about planning to >renumber their existing space from NAC into the newly assigned space... > >-davidu David A. Ulevitch - Founder, EveryDNS.Net h

Re: Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread David A . Ulevitch
On Jun 22, 2004, at 10:40 PM, David Schwartz wrote: IANAL, seek competent legal advice from a lawyer with experience in this area. I'm sure you can work out some sort of compromise where you let them keep using their IP space for a reasonable period of time (3 months? 6 months?) and they renumb

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread David Schwartz
> In other words, customer is asking a court to rule whether or not IP space > should be portable, when an industry-supported organization (ARIN) has > made policy that the space is in fact not portable. It can be further > argued that the court could impose a TRO that would potentially negativel

Can a customer take IP's with them?

2004-06-22 Thread Alex Rubenstein
Should a customer be allowed to force a carrier to allow them to announce non-portable IP space as they see fit to any other carriers of their choosing when they are no longer buying service from the original carrier [that the space is assigned to]? According to ARIN regulations, the space does

Unplugging spamming PCs

2004-06-22 Thread Hank Nussbacher
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/22/tech.spam.reut/index.html "Consumers who allow their infected computers to send out millions of "spam" messages could be unplugged from the Internet under a proposal released Tuesday by six large e-mail providers." -Hank

whois.arin.net dead again

2004-06-22 Thread Jon Lewis
What's going on? whois.arin.net is not accepting connections and the whois search via www.arin.net is dead again. -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Golding
With the lamentable exception of the IRC suggestions, there have been some very good comments on this. However, in the interest of beating a dead horse (and not aimed directly at Charles) - Think about stuff like this when picking your transit providers. There is some conventional wisdom that In

APNIC New IPv6 address block

2004-06-22 Thread John Tran
Dear colleagues APNIC received the IPv6 address range 2001:4400::/23 from IANA in June 2004 and will be making allocations from this range in the near future. This announcement is being made for the information of the Internet community, and so that network configurations such as routing filter

Packeteer

2004-06-22 Thread rwcrowe
Anyone had any good/bad experiences with the PacketSeeker or PacketShaper product ? (http://www.packeteer.com/). It looks like a good sub-$10,000 traffic monitor that will allow you to see all Layers of traffic utilization and reporting. Plus you can upgrade it to shape traffic with a license a

Re: to irc or not to irc

2004-06-22 Thread Matthew McGehrin
I never stated that #nanog was the official channel on efnet. I just suggested that were servers run by Nanog Folks already existing. Funny you should mention Jared. Did nether.net at one point and time host an Undernet Server? -- Matthew - Original Message - From: "Tim Brown" <[EMAIL

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Tim Brown
> "Matthew" == Matthew McGehrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matthew> Why would you need to re-invent the wheel? Matthew> There are multiple EFNET servers run by Nanog members Matthew> including: irc.servercentral.net irc.nac.net Matthew> irc.easynews.com irc.he.net Matth

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, James wrote: > okay people, this is ridiculous. > > if you want real-time DOS mitigation, cooperation between ASNs, may I > introduce you all to: > > http://www.pch.net/inoc-dba/ As in most other situations, there's value to having multiple tools. Different tools are more u

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Ah., but, then how can we keep the lamers (i.e. wannabes/non > nanoggers) out effectively? :P Let me guess, DDoS them away? IRC is simply the most evil thing ever invented. BTW, I've actually got two sites that were part of the DDoS to find

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread James
okay people, this is ridiculous. if you want real-time DoS mitigation, cooperation between ASN's, may I introduce you all to: http://www.pch.net/inoc-dba/ enough with the irc.nanog.org. given that NANOG group is somewhat of higher profile, and also given that number of EFNet servers struggle w

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Bubba Parker
Heh, at least I don't have daily splits, and other people besides assholes are allowed to be opers. On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 11:35:37AM -0400, Christian Malo wrote: > > probably not as much as shittynetwireless.net > > -chris > > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Bubba Parker wrote: > > > > > Maybe beca

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Jonathan M. Slivko
Ah., but, then how can we keep the lamers (i.e. wannabes/non nanoggers) out effectively? :P -- Jonathan andrew matthews wrote: i thought there was nanog @efnet with a lot of these people on it... i'm sure there are plenty of chat networks out tehre without having to start a new one. On Sun, 2

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Christian Malo
probably not as much as shittynetwireless.net -chris On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Bubba Parker wrote: > > Maybe because efnet sucks? :) *runs* > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 11:07:40AM -0400, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > > > Why would you need to re-invent the wheel? > > > > There are multiple EFNET serve

Re: Netflow/flowscan

2004-06-22 Thread Dave Plonka
Hi Andrew, On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 11:10:55PM -0700, andrew matthews wrote: > > Anyone ever done some major flowscan stuff? Well "major" is in the eye of the beholder, but here's what we do: http://wwwstats.net.wisc.edu/ (aggregated to ~1 OC-12 and Gig-E WAN link) http://wwwstats.wiscne

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Bubba Parker
Maybe because efnet sucks? :) *runs* On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 11:07:40AM -0400, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > Why would you need to re-invent the wheel? > > There are multiple EFNET servers run by Nanog members including: > irc.servercentral.net > irc.nac.net > irc.easynews.com > irc.he.net > > T

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Matthew McGehrin
Why would you need to re-invent the wheel? There are multiple EFNET servers run by Nanog members including: irc.servercentral.net irc.nac.net irc.easynews.com irc.he.net To name a few. #nanog -- Matthew - Original Message - From: "Bubba Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Daniel Reed

Re: Inside look at a spammer's business

2004-06-22 Thread Paul G
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:49 AM Subject: Inside look at a spammer's business > > This site http://rejo.zenger.nl/abuse/1085493870.php has an interesting > insider's account of running a spamming business and al

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Bubba Parker
If need be, if someone were to actually provide a shell or something that did have enough bandwidth, I could setup the IRC server there and it would be fine. On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:41:51AM -0400, Daniel Reed wrote: > > On 2004-06-22T08:27-0500, Bubba Parker wrote: > ) Well if people use this

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Bubba Parker
Why a NANOG IRC server would be targeted, I have no clue. But if that's the case, count me out. On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:41:51AM -0400, Daniel Reed wrote: > > On 2004-06-22T08:27-0500, Bubba Parker wrote: > ) Well if people use this IRC server, there's definately going to be more > ) control o

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Reed
On 2004-06-22T08:27-0500, Bubba Parker wrote: ) Well if people use this IRC server, there's definately going to be more ) control over the channel and server itself. And if needed, other members ) could gain more control server-wide. Let me know if you have any ) questions. You may find that an I

Re: real-time DDoS help?

2004-06-22 Thread Bubba Parker
Well if people use this IRC server, there's definately going to be more control over the channel and server itself. And if needed, other members could gain more control server-wide. Let me know if you have any questions. On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0700, andrew matthews wrote: > > i thou

Re: Netflow/flowscan

2004-06-22 Thread Per Gregers Bilse
On Jun 21, 11:10pm, andrew matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone ever done some major flowscan stuff? Flowscan is perl, isn't it? > We tried it once for a while and we had so much traffic our dual zeon > 3.06ghz system couldn't keep up. The flows just started getting more How much traffi

Inside look at a spammer's business

2004-06-22 Thread Michael . Dillon
This site http://rejo.zenger.nl/abuse/1085493870.php has an interesting insider's account of running a spamming business and all the support business that exist to help spammer businesses to survive and thrive. --Michael Dillon