RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread sthaug
> I don't know of any capped service over here, nobody dares take the first > step. Not 10 Mbps but: Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, capped their ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other (uncapped) providers

RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Not 10 Mbps but: Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, > capped their ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a > while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other (uncapped) > providers that they noticed - the cap

RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread sthaug
> > Not 10 Mbps but: Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, > > capped their ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a > > while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other (uncapped) > > providers that they noticed - the cap has now been removed. > > What did they

The Cidr Report

2004-07-16 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 16 21:43:40 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Re: Controls are ineffective without user cooperation

2004-07-16 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
...and security, access-controls, etc. have to have a transparency and ease-of-use factor such that legitimate users don't actively attempt to bypass it themselves. :-) - ferg -- Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Donn S. Parker pointed out controls are ineffective without user cooperat

Transfer Capping by ISPs (Was: Regional differences in P2P)

2004-07-16 Thread Evaldo Gardenali
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: | On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |>Not 10 Mbps but: Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, |>capped their ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a |>while. Presumably they lost suffic

Re: Transfer Capping by ISPs (Was: Regional differences in P2P)

2004-07-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Evaldo Gardenali wrote: Here in São Paulo state, Brazil, telefonica (yeah, the same spanish one) caps ADSL too , they have the 128kbit dsl capped at 500MB, 300kbit capped at 3000MB, 450kbps capped at 10500MB and 600kbps capped at 2MB. no uncapped service available (except for old contracts), an

Re: BGP Dampening question

2004-07-16 Thread D Train
<<   It isn't so much that one of our links are flapping all of the time, but in our enterprise we have over 1000 locations, which can be 10 or 15 circuits flapping at one given time. This is more for management/administration reasons, other than just wheather or not the router can with stand the

Two industry forums plan to merge

2004-07-16 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
"Two industry forums plan to merge in hopes of speeding the creation of multi-service, multi-vendor carrier networks that blend frame relay, ATM and MPLS into their offerings to customers." See: http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0715forums.html - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engi

as path filtering -- cisco implementation

2004-07-16 Thread Philip Lavine
Is inbound as-path filtering an efficient way of preventing routes from entering your bgp table? How come the filtered routes still show up in the bgp table and not in the routing table? What is hit on the CPU? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved

Weekly Routing Table Report

2004-07-16 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 17 Jul, 2004

Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

2004-07-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:00:16 PDT, Jeff Shultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Such dangerous file attachments included .jpg, .pdf and music files. Once bitten, twice shy: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2001/02/msg00168.html .JPG's are HTML, didn't you know? :) pgpLhDo1FDrRe.pgp De

Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

2004-07-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:52:07 PDT, Alexei Roudnev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > O, noo. You click a button 'I agree' which means nothing for 99.99% of > people over the world. Here is a difference. Do not expect people to 'agree' > if you do not enforce them to follow this (and if your system do not

Re: as path filtering -- cisco implementation

2004-07-16 Thread James
> Is inbound as-path filtering an efficient way of > preventing routes from entering your bgp table? How > come the filtered routes still show up in the bgp > table and not in the routing table? What is hit on the > CPU? AFAIK, it shouldn't show up on bgp table if you are filtering inbound to yo

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Petri Helenius
Michel Py wrote: BitTorrent is a third of p2p traffic in Sweden? Wow. In the US it is a small blip on the radar. Should hold water for Sweden too. Wonder why so many of the bittorrent streams terminate in the US if it's not on your radar. Maybe time for finetuning the radar ... Pete

RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Michel Py
> Steinar Haug wrote: > Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, capped their > ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a > while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other > (uncapped) providers that they noticed - the cap has now been > removed. Ridiculous is the

Network Change Process - best method

2004-07-16 Thread Fisher, Shawn
Here's a small question that might take a big answer. Is there any open source tools that can help organize and facilitate "Network Change Processes"? If not, what are some of the tools you reccomend using to organize and coordinate moves, adds and changes? Thanks

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 09:51:28PM +0300, Petri Helenius wrote: > > Michel Py wrote: > > >BitTorrent is a third of p2p traffic in Sweden? Wow. In the US it is a > >small blip on the radar. > > > > > > > Should hold water for Sweden too. Wonder why so many of the bittorrent > streams terminate

RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Michel Py wrote: > Thoughts, anyone? Personal reflection? I believe 90% of all households will manage well on 35gig per month, ie 100kilobit/s on average. Those who need more should be charged let's say $40-50 per month per megabit used, at least during peak hours. For ea

Re: as path filtering -- cisco implementation

2004-07-16 Thread Steve Baxter
Do you have 'soft-reconfiguration inbound' on ? If so it will hit the BGP table but will be marked as received-only. This allows for re-scanning of the table in order to effect filter and other changes without a hard reset of the session. > > Is inbound as-path filtering an efficient way of >

OT? experience with time warner telecom?

2004-07-16 Thread Matt Hess
Apologies if this is off topic but we are looking at time warner telecom for an upstream connection and I would like to get some info as to people's experience with this group.. good or bad. Off-list is fine.. especially if this is indeed OT. begin:vcard fn:Matt Hess n:Hess;Matt org:LiveWire Ne

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Florian Weimer wrote: > Private FTP sites seem to be more common among those who trade > unlicensed, copyrighted material for profit. This is clearly > criminal. Certainly this isn't what your average P2P user is doing. Has anyone ever done a money trail investigation rega

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Petri Helenius
Michel Py wrote: Thoughts, anyone? If the cap is based on financial requirements, it usually makes sense to set the cap around 90 to 95 percentile mark of your user base. This makes it fairly network dependent. Even on residential-heavy networks the p2p user population is a smallish fraction

plumbers coming down the pipe

2004-07-16 Thread Paul Vixie
> > I guess the big question is, is there anyone (other than those > > profiting directly from CWS) that would complain if a provider were to > > do such a thing... > ... > It's the old: "I don't want some plumber deciding what can come down my > pipe" argument. that analogy won't stretch to f

Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Nicole
Hello all. A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, t

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Mark Kent
>> A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, >> CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose >> connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other >> malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or >> connectivity. Problem is, t

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. w

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Tony Li
You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember Northridge? If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you are. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-39.htm http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm Tony On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread joe mcguckin
Sacramento -joe On 7/16/04 4:34 PM, "Tony Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember > Northridge? > > If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you > are. > > http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/1

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Nicole wrote: A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, th

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > > Hello all. > > A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is > looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and > location is off any faultline, or away from other malady

RE: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Michel Py
>>> Michel Py wrote: >>> BitTorrent is a third of p2p traffic in Sweden? Wow. In >>> the US it is a small blip on the radar. >> Petri Helenius wrote: >> Should hold water for Sweden too. Wonder why so many of the >> bittorrent streams terminate in the US if it's not on your >> radar. Maybe time f

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 06:15:53PM -0700, Michel Py wrote: > > >>> Michel Py wrote: > >>> BitTorrent is a third of p2p traffic in Sweden? Wow. In > >>> the US it is a small blip on the radar. > > >> Petri Helenius wrote: > >> Should hold water for Sweden too. Wonder why so many of the > >> bitto

RE: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Michel Py
> Jonathan Nichols > www.ragingwire.com > Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, > it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Yep. Keep in mind that W.Tasman to Sacramento is a 2 hour drive at any given time and 3 1/2 hours on a Friday afternoon. Also, if you enjoy n

Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

2004-07-16 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Yep. Keep in mind that W.Tasman to Sacramento is a 2 hour drive at any given time and 3 1/2 hours on a Friday afternoon. Also, if you enjoy night life, Sacramento is not the best location on earth. Yeah, that's something else to consider. Sometimes it's faster to take Amtrak than it is to drive.

Re: Regional differences in P2P

2004-07-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Private FTP sites seem to be more common among those who trade > > unlicensed, copyrighted material for profit. This is clearly > > criminal. Certainly this isn't what your average P2P user is doi