thanks.
> No, because both routers are reached through the
> same L1/L2 medium, so
> Quagga can't use link-state to determine
> reachability of the next-hop.
> You could fix that by getting rid of the switches,
> and just having a bunch
> of router interfaces facing two Ethernet interfaces
> on
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Patrick W Gilmore wrote:
Okie, this has gone on long enough.
If you would like some help, please stop, take a deep breath, count to ten
slowly, then ask nicely and some people here might teach you something.
May be you should spend more time on networking than your partime j
> 1) should each dns cache server be configured a static
> default route (0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0)? If server-(1,3) is
> configured statically to use
> router-1 as default router, will Quagga make it use
> router-2 when router-1 is not reachable?
No, because both routers are reached t
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Owen DeLong
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:00 AM
> To: Edward Lewis
> Cc: Andrew Dul; nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
>
>
[ snip ]
> Right... So, things divide i
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 12:18:34PM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
> Actually, I am not doing what you think I am. I am using the RouteViews
> aggregation of the BGP routing tables. RouteViews is a projec
On Mar 25, 2005, at 12:25 AM, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
> Actually, I am not doing what you think I am. I am using the
RouteViews
> aggregation of the BGP routing tables. RouteViews is a project
at the
>
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
> Actually, I am not doing what you think I am. I am using the RouteViews
> aggregation of the BGP routing tables. RouteViews is a project at the
> univ. of Oregon that peers with backbones.
Really? C
Here's my dilemma. On the one hand I hear calls for greater operational
input to ARIN. On the other hand is empirical evidence that there isn't
much input being given.
Correct... Generally, you hear those calls coming from ARIN because ARIN
is trying to maximize the involvement of its constituen
--On Thursday, March 24, 2005 16:32 -0500 Edward Lewis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 12:53 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
and _NOT_ ARIN. ARIN is responsible for the stewardship of assigned
numbers within the ARIN region.
Hi,
I'm trying to set up a anycast DNS server farm for
customer service. In order to improve availability, we
plan to install those servers in
one LAN which has the similar structure like :
server-(1,3)---switch1---router-1---(outside)
|
|
server-(2,4)---switch
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 12:18:34PM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
> > Actually, I am not doing what you think I am. I am using the RouteViews
> > aggregation of the BGP routing tables. RouteViews is a project at the
> > univ. of Oregon
>> NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
>> and _NOT_ ARIN.
whoever wrote this should share what they're smoking.
> Let's say DNSSEC is ready for deployment.
and cash falls from the sky
randy
Hannigan, Martin wrote:
They're brokers. There's really nothing wrong with what they
are doing, although they may not have explained it to you too
well.
I guess not.
What they do is become an agent, or reseller, for a company and
they get a residual on anyone they refer. So if you are a corp IT
guy
--- Mike Leber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, there has been some movement - Cisco has changed
their policy, as noted here:
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-02/msg00354.html
Now if we can just get everyone else to play along...
David Barak
Need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise:
h
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Pozar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: "Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com
>
> Just got a call from "Tosten" of a company called "Bandwidth
> Advisors". They represent themselves as a "Independent Te
Problem solved (sort of). Thanks to all who helped. An ISP was
leaking routes they picked up via a biazzare (and apparently
nonfunctional path). The last hop before the path got to us was Sprint
(AS1239) (which we are connected to). We have withdrawn our route from
Sprint which made the bogus rou
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Tim Pozar
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:58 PM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: "Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com
>
>
>
> Just got a call from "Tosten" of a company called "Bandwidth
FYI:
-- Forwarded Message
From: "Brownstein, Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:05:58 -0500
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: can you assist in announcing this
To interested IP'ers
The Computer Science and Telecommunications Board of the National
Academies invites you to
Just got a call from "Tosten" of a company called "Bandwidth
Advisors". They represent themselves as a "Independent Telco &
Colo Consultants" (see web page).
Seems that they are calling around ISPs and asking them if they
have an "agent" program. After talking to him a bit I find out
that they
David Barak wrote:
wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to simply get a
lawyer and an engineer in the same room and brainstorm
until you came up with something which
pretty-much-worked(tm) and was at least arguably
compliant with the law? There have been a couple of
ideas bandied about on this list w
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 04:20:10PM -0500, Member Services wrote:
> ARIN supports the idea of doing reachability testing on new /8 blocks issued
> by the IANA and will begin to set a plan in motion to move forward on this.
> Once more details have been worked out, we will notify the community.
/me
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 01:02:26PM -0600, Network.Security wrote:
> I read on a Vonage customer forum about "testing" your 911 service with
> them, I don't know that I'd advocate that as the PSAPs will likely be
> ticked. But again, it emphasizes a point about collaboration between
> Vonage and t
Jeeze...
It seems there are all kinds of policy wonks ever so ready to errect
fantastic edifices and structure all manner of procedure and organization
in order to fix the problem of newly allocated address space being
filtered that is largely caused by a highly visible attractive nuisance,
and
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 05:48:00AM -0800, David Barak wrote:
> if you prick them, they'll bleed...
What color?
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Designer Baylink RFC 2100
Ashwor
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:12:33PM -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." or vice versa.
>
> "Conviction is worthless unless it is converted into conduct."
"Defending *palatable* speech is unremarkable."
-- me
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth
Looking for some help...
Net 18/8 seems to be unable to reach significant portions of the
Internet. I suspect that someone is advertising a bogus route for us.
None of the regular looking glasses show any problems though.
If anyone from Ebay or Rogers Cable (AS812) is listening, I would really
l
At 13:01 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
There are not many such proposals in play at the moment because the ARIN
community reached consensus around most of these issues over the last
two years. There seems to be general agreement that the current state of
things is acceptable in terms of Whois
At 12:53 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
and _NOT_ ARIN. ARIN is responsible for the stewardship of assigned
numbers within the ARIN region. This includes IP addresses, Autonomous
System Numbers, and, DNS delegations for rev
ARIN supports the idea of doing reachability testing on new /8 blocks issued
by the IANA and will begin to set a plan in motion to move forward on this.
Once more details have been worked out, we will notify the community.
Regards,
Leslie Nobile
Director, Registration Services
American Registry
--On Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:20 PM -0500 Edward Lewis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
>
>> I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in
>> the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not
>> getting the r
> One question does haunt me about how the operations community views ARIN.
> Most ARIN policies are concerned with address allocation, reporting, and
> such. There are not many policies regarding the functional role ARIN
> plays in the Internet, the only one that leaps to mind is a lame
> delegat
---Original Message---
> From: "Edward Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
> Sent: 24 Mar 2005 12:20:08
>
> At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
>
> >I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the
> >process.
> I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in
> the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not
> getting the right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we
> get more operators involved and active in the RIRs?
>
I'd like to point out t
On 2005-03-24-14:02:26, "Network.Security" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not saying (nor do I hope the PSAPs are either) that Vonage
> should cease and desist service because of the 911 issues, rather
> greater partnership needs to be initiated to insure that VoIP
> service and POTS have the sa
At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the
process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not getting the
right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we get more
operators involved and active in th
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, G Pavan Kumar wrote:
> Actually, I am not doing what you think I am. I am using the RouteViews
> aggregation of the BGP routing tables. RouteViews is a project at the
> univ. of Oregon that peers with backbones.
Really? Could you tell us more about it? I t
> try 172.128.1.1
thanks. yummy.
randy
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 03:13:07PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote:
> y'all might give us something pingable in that space so we can
> do a primitive and incomplete test in a simple fashion.
>
> randy
>
try 172.128.1.1
/vijay
Re:
"Your Call Will Go To A General Access Line at the Public Safety
Answering
Point (PSAP). This is different from the 911 Emergency Response Center
where
traditional 911 calls go."
In talking with my local PSAP about VoIP services and this particular
issue, they (PSAPs collectively) are fairly
At 01:38 PM 3/24/2005, Oren Levin wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
J.D. Falk
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:37 AM
>
> On 03/23/05, "Sam Hayes Merritt, III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Subject: Re: Vonage sold over not clea
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
J.D. Falk
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:37 AM
>
> On 03/23/05, "Sam Hayes Merritt, III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Subject: Re: Vonage sold over not clearly informing customers re 911
servi
>From: Michael.Dillon
>Date: Thu Mar 24 11:34:52 2005
>
>
>
>> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the
>> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but
>> ARIN's actions. If t
> If FairUCE can't verify sender identity, then it goes into
> challenge-response mode, sending a challenge email to the sender,
Let me rephrase that more accurately:
"...spamming everyone who has been so unfortunate as to
have their address forged into a mail message..."
Cha
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> > > > is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
> > > > informed' admins the problem?
> > >
> > >Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem. ARIN is in
> > >a unique position to be able to do something
--- William Allen Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm assuming that you really operate an ISP in Utah.
> And that you are
> willing to spend some time in jail at various times,
> have $10,000 or so
> for bail, and a few $100,000 for attorney fees --
> none of which you'll
> get back even s
> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the
> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but
> ARIN's actions. If there is any dysfunction in ARIN, I suspect that
> it lay here.
Yes, this is what I believe. The ARIN membership is more
passive than I think is
At 15:17 + 3/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To begin with, nothing I have to say here has any bearing on the
other IRR's. There is a reason there are 4-5 IRRs, each should be
tuned to local sensibilities.
However, ARIN today is a very dysfunctional organization.
That is a very brash statem
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
> > ARIN is in a unique position to be able to do something to at
> > least try to mitigate the problem without too much effort before
> > handing "damaged IP space" out to members.
>
> damaged? so you will do your bit to undamage unused ip space by
> not b
David Barak wrote:
For crying out loud - this is UTAH, not the moon: the
people there are just like people everywhere. Yeah,
they tend to be a bit more socially conservative than
the libertarian-leaning NANOG membership is used to,
but it's not like they've got 2 heads and three arms -
if you pri
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Daniel Senie wrote:
>
> At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > > > gets communicated to ARIN. Wha
David Barak wrote:
Planned Parenthood is quite alive and well in Utah.
Contraceptives are freely advertised on TV and given
out on campus at the U of U. All of the other stuff
you're seeing is either:
1) unenforcable old blue laws similar to ...
Don't know about Utah, but do know about Michig
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Randy Bush
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
>
>
>
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > ge
>> is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
>> informed' admins the problem?
> Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem.
if aol is not worried enough to tell us an address to ping, perhaps
you can see why we prospective pingers are not getting our und
At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
>
> is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
> informed' admins the problem?
ARIN is not part of the prob
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
>
> is arin the problem here? or
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In any case, it is not important how the message
> gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
informed' admins the pro
> In any case, it is not important how the message
> gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
> to do. One way to talk to ARIN is through the public
> meetings and another way is to email one of the
> trustees.
and one is to send
> 1) unenforcable old blue laws similar to how Native
> Americans need to be escorted by police in
> Massachussetts (i.e. they never got around to fixing
> old bad law, but noone cares anymore)
Actually, Indian towns were goverened by Blue Laws up the second half of
the 20th century. Not every la
> it seems that even bureaucrazy ripe managed to do it without
> holding policy discussions; see henk's posting.
I believe that RIPE does these things BECAUSE it is
more bureaucratic than ARIN. As a result, RIPE staff
feel more empowered to do sensible projects outside of
the policy process.
In
> so while I agree that this is a goofy law which was
> poorly written - there IS a demand for this type of
> service, and we'll see how it plays out.
Right!
Not everyone needs or wants plain old raw Internet
access. That is a commodity service which appealed
to the early adopters who were techni
>> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
>> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
>> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
>> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
>> block.
> ARIN meet
the fight
against pornography, and said a legal challenge
is likely."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=3&u=/ap/20050324/ap_on_hi_te/internet_porn&sid=95573501
- ferg
-- David Barak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
so while I agree that this is a goofy law
--- William Allen Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So, Utah law _already_ means no links to Planned
> Parenthood et alia.
>
Planned Parenthood is quite alive and well in Utah.
Contraceptives are freely advertised on TV and given
out on campus at the U of U. All of the other stuff
you're s
a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
block.
Based on what I've seen in
> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
> block.
ARIN meeting ha
At 20:05 23/03/2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Randy Bush writes:
>
>>> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
>>> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
>>> static bogon filters, can you please make sure the
G Pavan Kumar wrote:
I have been working on characterizing the internet hierarchy.
I noticed that 27% of the total possible tier-2 provider node pairs are
unreachable i.e., they dont have any tier-1 node connecting them nor a
direct peering link between them.
Multihoming can be used as
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