Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Glen Kent
Hi, Are there any ISPs that do, or desire, splitting traffic across different ASes for prefixes learnt via an exterior gateway protocol (say BGP)? For example, an ISP can learn two different equal cost routes to a foo.com server via two different autonomous domains. It can thus split different

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Glen Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, an ISP can learn two different equal cost routes to a foo.com server via two different autonomous domains. It can thus split different flows (based on src-dest IP, src-dest Port, TOS, etc) across these two paths. Do operators currently do

urgent request for a contact at rcn.com/.net

2006-01-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Hi guys, this is rather urgent, we would appreciate any help. I will make sure and update as things progress, but right now I believe public attention would only hinder our (DA/MWP/etc. TISF) incident response attempts. Thanks, Gadi.

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: Glen Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, an ISP can learn two different equal cost routes to a foo.com server via two different autonomous domains. It can thus split different flows (based on src-dest IP, src-dest Port, TOS, etc)

Password Security and Distribution

2006-01-24 Thread Jeremy Stinson
All, Our company is starting to grow rather quickly and we are starting to have growing pains. We are in the need for a better mechanism for sharing passwords between our engineers. Most of these passwords are for our client's systems where some of them are controlling the password schemes

Urgent Alert: Possible BlackWorm DDay February 3rd (Snort signatures included)

2006-01-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Hello. This is an urgent alert released by the cooperative efforts of the MWP / DA groups that also worked on the hurricane Rita scams. This task force is now known as the TISF BlackWorm task force. This task force involves many in the security (anti spam, CERTs, anti virus, academia, ISP's,

RE: Password Security and Distribution

2006-01-24 Thread McLean Pickett
Jeremy - I've not found a better solution than PGP. Perhaps more a formalized process for communicating password updates proactively is all you need. Ideally, distributing passwords at 3am is too late. In the past I've used small password database programs on a network share. You are then left

State of Spoofing [was: Re: BLS FastAccess internal tech needed]

2006-01-24 Thread Robert Beverly
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:09:13PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: RFC2827/BCP38? The problem is that an ISP can do all the source filtering it wants, but if it only blocks SYNs to port 25 all it takes is one unfiltered dial-up to spoof that ISP's addresses. On the subject of filtering

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: Glen Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, an ISP can learn two different equal cost routes to a foo.com server via two different autonomous domains. It can thus split different flows

BlackWorm technical information

2006-01-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Technical information on the worm itself can be found here: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/nyxem_e.shtml and http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/229 Gadi.

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you can get two candidate routes for the same

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 13:05, Joe Abley wrote: On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you can get

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 13:09, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can get two candidate routes for the same destination into the FIB, then you'll get per-flow load balancing as long as CEF is running, no? Yes and no. CEF is {src, dst} hash IIRC, and per-flow

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 24-Jan-2006, at 13:09, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can get two candidate routes for the same destination into the FIB, then you'll get per-flow load balancing as long as CEF is running, no? Yes and no. CEF

Re: Password Security and Distribution

2006-01-24 Thread Eric Frazier
Hi, That sounds like it could be useful. The major problem I have with password safe is that it is hard to do things like copy a group of passwords to another .dat file. That makes it hard to do anything put either keep several .dat files floating around for different users, aka accountants,

BlackWorm naming confusing [CME entry now available]

2006-01-24 Thread Gadi Evron
The CME entry should appear on their site shortly: http://cme.mitre.org Gadi.

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Joe Abley wrote: On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you

RE: Password Security and Distribution

2006-01-24 Thread (nanog) Brian Battle
Our company is starting to grow rather quickly and we are starting to have growing pains. We are in the need for a better mechanism for sharing passwords between our engineers. I wish there was a system that let you do the following: * Store and encrypt logins/passwords and access logs in a

T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Matt Bazan
Can someone shed some technical light on the details of how two T1's are bonded (typically). We've got two sets of T's at two different location with vendor 'X' (name starts w/ an 'A') and it appears that we're really only getting about 1 full T's worth of bandwidth and maybe 20% of the second.

BlackWorm infected IP's reporting

2006-01-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Hi. In the next day or so some of us will cooperate to bring to the attention of all effected AS's information about infected users in their net-space. This will be coordinated with several groups and organizations. Please expect these emails, thanks. Gadi.

Re: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Elijah Savage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Bazan wrote: Can someone shed some technical light on the details of how two T1's are bonded (typically). We've got two sets of T's at two different location with vendor 'X' (name starts w/ an 'A') and it appears that we're really only

RE: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Scott Morris
If you're treating them as two separate links (e.g. two POPs, etc.) then that's correct, it'll be done by the routers choice of load-balancing (L3). If you are going to the same POP (or box potentially) you can do MLPPP and have a more effective L2 load balancing. Otherwise, it's possible to get

RE: Password Security and Distribution

2006-01-24 Thread Matt Ghali
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, (nanog) Brian Battle wrote: I wish there was a system that let you do the following: * Store and encrypt logins/passwords and access logs in a database * Assign permissions (add new logins/passwords, change password...) to those passwords on a per user/group basis, based

Re: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread PC
Is it ATT? If so, they only use Cisco Express Forwarding on the router, or so that's at least what I was told by the level 1 techs. If packet order reassembly is a an issue and the link is oversubscribed (IE: Heavy VoIP/gaming use), this method isn't the greatest over others like MLPPP, or

Re: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Elijah Savage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Morris wrote: If you're treating them as two separate links (e.g. two POPs, etc.) then that's correct, it'll be done by the routers choice of load-balancing (L3). If you are going to the same POP (or box potentially) you can do MLPPP and

RE: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Scott Morris
I'm re-reading it, and slowly, but I don't see mention of having two different vendors. Perhaps I need to put the beer a bit further away, but he talks about generic vendor 'x' and notes that it starts with letter 'A' as further definition, not as two separate vendors. *shrug* Scott

Re: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Elijah Savage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Morris wrote: I'm re-reading it, and slowly, but I don't see mention of having two different vendors. Perhaps I need to put the beer a bit further away, but he talks about generic vendor 'x' and notes that it starts with letter 'A' as

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Matt Buford
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: that was my thought... and yes, it could get ugly for tcp services. Why would you knowningly induce this complication? When you want single flows to go faster than a single member link? (not that I am saying this is a good idea) Actually,

Re: Router upgrade for small colo provider

2006-01-24 Thread Andrew - Supernews
josh == josh harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: josh [option #3 - Cisco 6509 switch'router' w/MSFC2] [...] josh - 'not a router' as some would say [though this one is as good josh as it gets for a switch with router ability built in, so i read josh at least] It routes packets,

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 14:17, Matt Buford wrote: Actually, TCP handles out of order packets rather well as long as the reordering isn't too severe. There's packet reordering, and there's oscillating RTT on segments that travel by different paths. I suspect the veracity of your statement

Re: T1 bonding

2006-01-24 Thread Wil Schultz
They can be bonded via MLPPP or IMA, as stated previously. Also they can be load-balanced via EIGRP. What are you using to test your bandwidth (IPerf is pretty handy)? I'm kinda assuming that the T1's are point to point, how far apart are the offices? -Wil Matt Bazan wrote: Can someone

Re: Router upgrade for small colo provider

2006-01-24 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Andrew - Supernews wrote: I have some of these running with combinations ranging from 5 full-routes sessions + iBGP through to 2 full + iBGP + 70+ peers. You don't need to be nervous about the MSFC2's ability to do BGP (though for serious work you do want the maximum