Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

At 01:11 AM 2/8/2006, Joe Abley wrote: On 7-Feb-2006, at 20:50, Martin Hannigan wrote: As Joe's pointed out, what's available in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait are governmental monopoly incumbent transit services, a la STIX, as opposed to Internet exchanges where peering takes place. Ther

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Bill Woodcock wrote: different definitions. If you say transit is peering, just not by our definitions, then you're into 1984 territory. So what exactly is definition of transit that does not make it peering? And when ISP A buys access from ISP B for purpose of getting

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On 7-Feb-2006, at 20:50, Martin Hannigan wrote: As Joe's pointed out, what's available in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait are governmental monopoly incumbent transit services, a la STIX, as opposed to Internet exchanges where peering takes place. There are several private colocation faci

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

At 11:55 PM 2/7/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Interconnecting in a government exchange is > still peering. Uh, not if it's buying transit. > They are peering, even if it isn't by our > definitions. Uh, Marty... the difference be

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

Chris has it! And to be clear, we only require a slow (1 day) provider changeover in the case that you want to announce your old provider's sub-prefix at a new provider. For instance, if you are an AT&T customer using a 12/8 sub-prefix and change providers but keep the prefix, the prefix will lo

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Interconnecting in a government exchange is > still peering. Uh, not if it's buying transit. > They are peering, even if it isn't by our > definitions. Uh, Marty... the difference between peering and transit is that they have

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

At 11:27 PM 2/7/2006, Nick Feamster wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: My answer, in short, was to say that I see it as more of an enterprise play because it's a managed service and the hardest part of provisioning is typically the order cycle. If you are an ISP, you are theoretically multi homed

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

At 10:30 PM 2/7/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote: [ SNIP ] Anyway, back to the conversation at hand: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > Middle Eastern Exchange Points > I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in > Kuwait as yet? All the

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Nick Feamster wrote: > As an aside, another question occurred to me about delaying unusual > announcements. Boeing Connexion offers another example of unorthodox > prefix announcements. Wouldn't the tactic of delaying unusual > announcements would cause problems for this s

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

Martin Hannigan wrote: My answer, in short, was to say that I see it as more of an enterprise play because it's a managed service and the hardest part of provisioning is typically the order cycle. If you are an ISP, you are theoretically multi homed by definition and your providers are going to

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Joe Abley wrote: > I would not be surprised if the toplogical centre of today's African > Internet turned out to be the LINX. Yep, with 111 8th close behind. On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Frank Bulk wrote: > A look at Telegeography's bandwidth maps suggest that

Re: CAUTION: Potentially Dumb Question...

>> > here's me hiding this article from 'management' who are again > chasing the 'converged' network :( In some cases it appears > convergence makes some sense, I think often though (in my very > humble experience) it's more of a buzzword-comp

Re: CAUTION: Potentially Dumb Question...

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Randy Bush wrote: > > > I'm interested in responses to this ... MPLS is still a four letter word > > .. :) > > > here's me hiding this article from 'management' who are again chasing the 'converged' network :( In some c

Re: FYI - RFC 4367 on What\'s in a Name: False Assumptions about DNS Names

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote: I think some of the people here may want to read this new RFC: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4367.txt Small comment - its probably not the people here that need to read it but people at http://www.icann.org But then again it doesnt a

FYI - RFC 4367 on What\'s in a Name: False Assumptions about DNS Names

I think some of the people here may want to read this new RFC: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4367.txt RFC 4367 Title: What\'s in a Name: False Assumptions about DNS Names Author: J. Rosenberg, Ed., IAB Status

Re: Interesting netflow entry

Apparently not, this looks more like it: Time window: Feb 05 2006 22:56:57 - Feb 07 2006 16:58:10 Flows analysed: 202925 matched: 202925, Bytes read: 10028280 Sys: 0.500s flows/second: 405167.7 Wall: 1.293s flows/second: 156923.1 Just a few more than 11 -Wil

Re: NANOG36 PGP Key Signing

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RE: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

A look at Telegeography's bandwidth maps suggest that the African routes are predominantly coastal. http://www.afridigital.net/downloads/DFIDinfrastructurerep.doc adds some more detail. Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sen

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

At 04:11 PM 2/7/2006, Joe Abley wrote: On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya. The exchan

Re: ml hacks for goodmail

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Re: Interesting netflow entry

Got my hands on the box today, looks like it is Skype. Below is a support article from their site: http://support.skype.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=148

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya. The exchange point in Nairobi is called KIXP, not

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:27, Aaron Glenn wrote: On 2/7/06, Howard C. Berkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? http://www.emix.net.ae/ it's flash heavy fyi Note that EMIX is a transit service, not really peering.

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I'm talking to an ISP in eastern Nebraska who has a DS3 to Sprint. They've got a peer they tie to with private fiber. That peer has a DS3 from AT&T. Both normally see 20ms response times on pings from their border routers to the carrier router. Since last Thursday the Sprint connected IS

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya. -M< -- Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

On 2/7/06, Howard C. Berkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in > Kuwait as yet? http://www.emix.net.ae/ it's flash heavy fyi

Re: Interesting netflow entry

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: Are you sure you're getting everything? he did previously state he was only using about 120mbps... and it'd depend upon his/your sample rates as well... Missed that part. Even so, 120mbps of actual usage, I would expect to see a higher volu

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? ISOC-IL is running the IIX for Israel.

Re: Interesting netflow entry

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Bill Nash wrote: > Erm, that seems kind of low. Flow volume for two 6509s in what I consider > a small to medium size hosting site, with about 6+ gigs of differentiated > egress generates more than 8 to 9 *thousand* flows per second, and that's > after discard incomplete tcp

Re: Interesting netflow entry

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Wil Schultz wrote: Incidentally (because I ask everyone this), what's your flow volume (flows per second)? Cannot get ahold of the machine until tomorrow. I did a 'wc' on 4 devices for 5 minutes and it comes out to just under 3600, about 11-12 per second... Erm, that

RE: Triple Play [was: CAUTION: Potentially Dumb Question...]

I think the main challenge in making this type of media distribution a reality is not the technology, we mostly know how to make it work. The real challenge is the content owners' willingness to make the content available while preserving their IP rights. > -Original Message- > From: [

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

There is one in Pakistan, and maybe Dubai. I would address this question to the SANOG list. Regards Marshall On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet?

Middle Eastern Exchange Points

I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet?

Re: Triple Play [was: CAUTION: Potentially Dumb Question...]

On Feb 7, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Christian Kuhtz wrote: If you're near real time, you have lots of options actually. And I would contend that p2p can be efficient for broadcast distribution actually. There already are several startups doing exactly that fo

NANOG36 PGP Key Signing

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Re: Triple Play [was: CAUTION: Potentially Dumb Question...]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > If you're near real time, you have lots of options actually. And I > would contend that p2p can be efficient for broadcast distribution > actually. There already are several startups doing exactly that for > large scalability. Yep. Lots of startups h