Folks,
I see very often that customers in the US send morespecs all
over the place, deaggregate whole /14s or such scary crap,
ask us to accept random stuff out of 4/8 and 8/8 (L3 space)
by example.
I am practically asking what is (if any) the normal way for
any of this. I am working by the
On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Alexander Koch wrote:
I see very often that customers in the US send morespecs all
over the place, deaggregate whole /14s or such scary crap,
ask us to accept random stuff out of 4/8 and 8/8 (L3 space)
by example.
I am practically asking what is (if any) the normal
On Fri, 7 April 2006 07:03:09 -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Can you give us some examples so us dumb Americans can more
precisely explain the problem? :)
When a random customer (content hoster) asks you to accept
something out of 8/8 that is Level(3) space, and there is no
route at this
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:41:26PM -0400, Alain Hebert wrote:
Hummm squid.
With a touch of haproxy... (Or for those with money ServerIron's)
...
Do Foundry ServerIrons proxy and cache, or just switch?
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Joe Yao
On 7-Apr-2006, at 12:06, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:41:26PM -0400, Alain Hebert wrote:
Hummm squid.
With a touch of haproxy... (Or for those with money
ServerIron's)
...
Do Foundry ServerIrons proxy and cache, or just switch?
ServerIrons don't
Just switch but 2 (of more) of them makes for a good frontend to a farm
of squid.
With both incoming and outgoing resilience.
Joseph S D Yao wrote:
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:41:26PM -0400, Alain Hebert wrote:
Hummm squid.
With a touch of haproxy... (Or for those with
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On Fri, 7 April 2006 07:03:09 -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Can you give us some examples so us dumb Americans can more
precisely explain the problem? :)
When a random customer (content hoster) asks you to accept
something out of 8/8 that is
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I need an NNTP contact at Time Warner Telecom :-)
This is sort of an odd request, normally I would've just looked
it up but this sort of thing isn't exactly published. If anyone here is
a representative of TWT and can get a message to a person in that area
I'd appreciate it if
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I need an NNTP contact at Time Warner Telecom :-)
did you try newsadmin at twtelecom.net?
This is sort of an odd request, normally I would've just looked
it up but this sort of thing isn't exactly published. If anyone here is
a
Well, this is at least marginally on topic, and I think it deserves a
wider audience. It is written by Poul-Henning Kamp (the affected party).
Please read it.
http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/
It ends with the following:
Didn't something like this happen before?
Yes, D-Link is not the
GPS.dix.dk service is described as:
DK Denmark GPS.dix.dk (192.38.7.240)
Location: Lyngby, Denmark
Geographic Coordinates: 55:47:03.36N, 12:03:21.48E
Synchronization: NTP V4 GPS with OCXO timebase
Service Area: Networks BGP-announced on the DIX
Access Policy: open access to servers, please, no
Rubens Kuhl Jr. wrote:
GPS.dix.dk service is described as:
DK Denmark GPS.dix.dk (192.38.7.240)
Location: Lyngby, Denmark
Geographic Coordinates: 55:47:03.36N, 12:03:21.48E
Synchronization: NTP V4 GPS with OCXO timebase
Service Area: Networks BGP-announced on the DIX
Access Policy: open access
Hi,
Should not be hard to fix...
Its clearly a missuses of dix.dk services.
Couple of thinks:
Since its bgp and DIX customers surely have to provide a list of
subnets to announce (filter and such), add those the the ntp server,
or use ipf/ipfw/iptables to filter in the dix
I think he should use dns views to answer the queries to gps.dix.dk and
either:
( a ) answer 127.0.0.1 to all queries from outside his service area
( b ) answer a D-Link IP address to all queries from outside his
service area (which could lead to getting their attention; dunno if
From: Rubens Kuhl Jr.
It still would require him to answer the DNS requests. Only
way to addres that is everybody outside DIX declare
gps.dix.de as www.dlink.com in their resolvers.
How about serve back bogus NTP data to non-BIX customer
prefixes? Maybe if people's computers start
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, David Hubbard wrote:
How about serve back bogus NTP data to non-BIX customer
prefixes? Maybe if people's computers start setting
themselves to the year 2004 D-Link will do something. :-)
Perhaps return back a time value that is ~10 seconds from wrapping around?
Where
Rubens Kuhl Jr. wrote:
big snip
It still would require him to answer the DNS requests. Only way to
addres that is everybody outside DIX declare gps.dix.de as
www.dlink.com in their resolvers.
Oh, I see two things here - the first is that he's in charge of his DNS,
which he probably isn't.
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:52:29PM -0700, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
Well, this is at least marginally on topic, and I think it deserves a
wider audience. It is written by Poul-Henning Kamp (the affected party).
Please read it.
http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/
*sigh* Yes yes everyone
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:49:18 -0400, Richard A Steenbergen
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Its just NTP, I can't imagine that it is *really* enough traffic to care
all that much. There are probably a hundred people on this list who could
donate free transit for this and not give it a second
Its just NTP, I can't imagine that it is *really* enough traffic to care
all that much.
You're kidding, right? Do you know what happened to wisc.edu:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/
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On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 06:49:18PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Its just NTP, I can't imagine that it is *really* enough
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Its just NTP, I can't imagine that it is *really* enough traffic to care
all that much.
According to Richard Clayton (who helped Poul-Henning track the problem
down) it's about 37pps continuously for each stratum-1 NTP server.
(Remember there
On Apr 7, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Mark Boolootian wrote:
Its just NTP, I can't imagine that it is *really* enough traffic
to care
all that much.
You're kidding, right? Do you know what happened to wisc.edu:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 06:49:18PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Seriously now, there are a million viable solutions here, ranging from
mild inconvenience to attempting to screw dlink for being dumbasses, all
of which are free. Point the A record else where and have people who care
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, David Hubbard wrote:
From: Rubens Kuhl Jr.
It still would require him to answer the DNS requests. Only
way to addres that is everybody outside DIX declare
gps.dix.de as www.dlink.com in their resolvers.
How about serve back bogus NTP data to non-BIX customer
prefixes?
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Kevin Day wrote:
I think the lesson here is that any service you make available to the public
(NTP, DNS, IRC, SMTP, whatever) is going to be used in ways that do not match
with your desires. If you're not willing to ACL/police the service, you're
going to have to accept
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Matt Ghali wrote:
I think the lesson here is that any service you make available to the public
(NTP, DNS, IRC, SMTP, whatever) is going to be used in ways that do not
match with your desires. If you're not willing to ACL/police the service,
you're going to have to
Jeff Shultz wrote:
By no means am I encouraging legally actionable activity,
however, and as noted, (b) just might be.
LOL! Did you read down to the end?...
/quote/
I can't afford to sue D-Link. It seems that they have managed to arrange
their corporate affairs so that there is no way I
Ok let me answer two at once here:
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 06:57:50PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Did you read the posting? His ISP is charging him. He's also put in
a fair amount of time trying to get this resolved. As for transit --
NTP works much better with short RTTs, which is
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