So with a fairly predictable growth of 3500 routes per month, we're
going to have some issues with the current equipment out there
(despite this being a rather predictable situation...)
So what might happen in three years if we have a sudden inflection
in new routes per month due to use by major
On 8/30/07, John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop receiving
new allocations from their RIR, and instead use of many smaller
recycled IPv4 address blocks, we could be looking at a 10x to
20x increase in routes per month for the same customer
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, William Herrin wrote:
Why should we announce tiny recycled blocks? If there is a /16 in the
swamp in which half the space is free but its all /24's, why wouldn't
wouldn't we allocate all the free /24's to a single entity and
instruct the entity to announce it as a holey
At 9:12 AM -0400 8/30/07, William Herrin wrote:
On 8/30/07, John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop receiving
new allocations from their RIR, and instead use of many smaller
recycled IPv4 address blocks, we could be looking at a 10x to
20x
John Curran wrote:
At 9:12 AM -0400 8/30/07, William Herrin wrote:
On 8/30/07, John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop receiving
new allocations from their RIR, and instead use of many smaller
recycled IPv4 address blocks, we could be
Consider large ISP's that can no longer obtain from the large
blocks (e.g. /12 to /16) but instead must beg/barter/borrow
blocks from others which are several orders of magnitude
smaller (e.g. /16 through /24) every week to continue
growing... such obtained blocks would be announced
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:18:41 -0400
From: Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Curran wrote:
At 9:12 AM -0400 8/30/07, William Herrin wrote:
On 8/30/07, John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop
Is there a possible revenue stream here for larger ISP's to begin
charging their customers for not aggregating
or to pay a clearing house to reaggregate them, mutual trades so you
can accumulate enough of a block, approach current (non)users of space
and buy out to build blocks they can sell
Had an incident last night and need some clarification support has been less
than.. supportive.
Thanks,
-Drew
Michael,
On Aug 30, 2007, at 7:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People keep saying that there is no business case for IPv6 when the
answer is staring them in the face. Growing revenue is the absolute
fundamental core of any business case, and in telecom companies
that
William Herrin wrote:
On 8/30/07, John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop receiving
new allocations from their RIR, and instead use of many smaller
recycled IPv4 address blocks, we could be looking at a 10x to
20x increase in routes per
People keep saying that there is no business case for IPv6 when the
answer is staring them in the face. Growing revenue is the absolute
fundamental core of any business case, and in telecom
companies that
is generally directly tied into growing the network.
Can you point me to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 06:48:43PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, David Conrad wrote:
For a few more months. What are upgrade cycles like again? How common
are the MSFC2s?
I think we'll find out in a few months, when the internet breaks in a
whole
John --
Great panic starting question.
I'd guess that by 2010, we'll be worried more about IPv6 growth than
IPv4 growth but the archives will bite me in the you-know-where in 3
years when I'm wrong (in either direction).
And then we'll talk about how fast FIBs get eaten with both IPv4
I'm used to the fingerpointing, but I was amazed when I met a lot of
security researchers which didn't seem to know about all the different
things ISPs are doing to help customers avoid having their computers
compromised by intrusions and repairing their computers afterwards.
So I started
On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
I was amazed when I met a lot of security researchers which didn't
seem to know about all the different
things ISPs are doing to help customers avoid having their
computers compromised by intrusions and repairing their computers
Sean, great idea! May we point to your page from the Internet Storm Center?
We've got an external links page at http://isc.sans.org/links.html that I'd
like to put it on.
Marc
SANS ISC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
Donelan
On 30-aug-2007, at 18:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there is any company whose IPv6 plans we should be interested
in, it is Verizon.
AKA UUNET? They've been doing IPv6 for _years_. I got my first IPv6
tunnel from UUNET Netherlands way back when.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
Why should we announce tiny recycled blocks? If there is a /16 in the
swamp in which half the space is free but its all /24's, why wouldn't
wouldn't we allocate all the free /24's to a single entity and
instruct the entity to announce it as a
Considering
Verizon's highly-connected position at the core of the IPv4
Internet,
I would think that all it takes to cause a snowball effect, is for
Verizon to start offering IPv6 transit and peering on the
same terms
as IPv4. If there is any company whose IPv6 plans we should be
If there is any company whose IPv6 plans we should be
interested in,
it is Verizon.
AKA UUNET? They've been doing IPv6 for _years_. I got my
first IPv6 tunnel from UUNET Netherlands way back when.
But when will all of Verizon, not just the UUNET parts, offer IPv6
transit and peering
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
So I started putting together a web page of paid and free ISP security
support links. If you are a national or large regional ISP in the US,
send me your link and I'll add it.
http://www.donelan.com/ispsupport.html
Ok, uncle. I've heard from many
At 2:14 PM -0400 8/30/07, Deepak Jain wrote:
John --
Great panic starting question.
Sorry, not my intent. I'm just trying to get a handle on the
state of the art of what's available today, and whether it has
some really excellent scaling properties in case we see a much
more granular block
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