What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread Drew Weaver
Howdy, over the past 4-6 months or so I have been attempting to find various means of interconnecting our main POP in a very small market (From a telecom options standpoint) in Ohio with one of the IX points in the US or at least a facility in another state/city which offers more

Re: What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, William Herrin wrote: On Net is like Tier 1. It has devolved into marketspeak that doesn't mean very much. In your case it seems to mean that you can connect with that particular carrier without first purchasing an ILEC local loop. This is mildly helpful, but only mildly.

Re: What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread William Herrin
On Feb 18, 2008 8:00 AM, Drew Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are currently ON NET with 3 major international telecommunication companies Drew, On Net is like Tier 1. It has devolved into marketspeak that doesn't mean very much. In your case it seems to mean that you can connect with that

RE: What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread Rod Beck
Gentlemen, It's not a question of being on-net or not. It is question of given scarce network resources, where would you prefer to use them? My suspicion is that your vendors think they can generate a higher return by using those resources to serve many customers as opposed to dedicate them

RE: What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread Rod Beck
Lots of IP providers make the conscious decision not to sell private line. At locations that are connected to their backbone via fibre. And it is quite common in less important markets. Best, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-18 Thread Tom Vest
It's good that this discussion is happening now. To make the discussion as productive as possible, it's probably a good idea to clarify assumptions and terms. We all know what market means -- but in all likelihood many of the things we all know do not overlap, and some are probably mutually

A couple or advanced references...

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Apologies for the noise, but I'd like to go ahead and provide references for a couple of data points which I plan to mention tomorrow during my brief presentation -- they are not referenced in my presentation slides, but they do highlight the issues

Re: A couple or advanced references...

2008-02-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:27:52 GMT Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thirdly is a figure that some folks may already be aware of; the fact that identity theft was the number one source of consumer fraud complaints submitted to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission in 2007. According

Re: A couple or advanced references...

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Credit card fraud was the most common form of reported identity theft at 23 percent, followed by utilities fraud at 18 percent, employment fraud at 14 percent, and bank fraud at 13 percent.

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-18 Thread Tom Vest
On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Roderick Beck wrote: Hmm ... There is a market for brownstone apartments in NYC and also for Cezanne's paintings and farmland ... There are plenty of markets that function well despite the absence of 'production'. Not especially illuminating comparisons,