Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-28 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:04:09PM -0400, Matthew Crocker wrote: > Technically no, There is no reason for a customer to have direct > access to the net so long as the ISP can provide appropriate proxies > for the services required. > It gets complex, it gets hard to manage but it can be done.

Re: Tracing where it started

2003-01-25 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:58:46AM -0500, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > It might be interesting if some people were to post when they received > their first attack packet, and where it came from, if they happened to > be logging. > > Here is the first packet we logged: > Jan 25 00:29:37 EST 216.66.11.

Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-17 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 06:38:08PM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, John Kristoff wrote: > > > impractical). If the sources can be tracked, perhaps they can be > > stopped (but large number of sources make this a scaling issue and > > sometimes not all responsible p

Re: DirecPC Protocols

2002-11-14 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 02:53:59PM -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote: > > I've been looking for some technical descriptions on how DirecPC works > from a TCP/IP point of view. Does anyone out there have some > references? I have not been able to find anything too detailed, and > from what I have been t

Re: iBGP next hop and multi-access media

2002-10-06 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 04:25:00PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: > > A and B are connected via the same multi-access media. It is technically > possible for B to tell A "you can reach 172.16.16.0/24 on the same media > that you receive this update on". However what people seem to be saying > i

Re: AT&T NYC

2002-09-03 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 11:16:51PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > To carry the bgp next-hops around the network? You could add in statics > > for every next-hop on every router, but this kind of configuration is > > complex and prone to errors such as loops in relatively minor cases. >

Re: DOS attack from PANAMSAT

2002-07-07 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 04:16:12PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:45:13 PDT, Clayton Fiske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Don't forget 3) the machine compromised isn't capable of spoofing. > > In Win95/98/ME/NT, there is no raw sock

Re: DOS attack from PANAMSAT

2002-07-07 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 03:08:14PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 06:24:40PM -0500, Rob Thomas wrote: > > Hmm, not according to the data I collect. I track numerous botnets and > > DoSnets, and a bit over 80% of them use the real IPs as the source of > > the floods

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-07-01 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 03:20:32PM -0400, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > > I don't think "peering could not overcome corrupt financial officers and > $3B in debt" equates to "peering has no relation to financial > difficulties" exactly. > > Here's a fun exercise: Drop your 5 busiest peers, and see if

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-07-01 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:36:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Here's a fun exercise: Drop your 5 busiest peers, and see if your > > operating costs a) increase, b) decrease, or c) remain the same. > > If your full cost of peering with UUNET (including things such as > depreciation)

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-07-01 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:38:57PM -0400, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > > I would venture to say that to WorldCom, all traffic is destined to a > peer, or a customer, and they NEVER pay for traffic. Peering with them > is entirely a courtesy from them to you, as they can always see you > through their

Re: how is cold-potato done?

2002-06-26 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:52:08PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: > > If I peer with network X in cities A and B, and receive the same route in > both cities with an AS-path of X, how do I know which city to use for an > exit? I can understand how if X uses communities to tag the geographic > or

Re: SPEWS?

2002-06-20 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:12:20PM -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > If the offending ISP does not respond, and you have exhausted all avenues > available to you to get the ISP to get its customer to stop spamming - > whether by TOS'ing the customer, education or whatever - then escalation > may

Re: Bogon list

2002-06-04 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 03:47 , Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > > Exchange point blocks SHOULDN'T be transited by anyone, therefore you > > should not hear them from your peers. > [snip] > Messy traceroutes make the helpdesk pho

Re: operational: icmp echo out of control?

2002-05-23 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:05:08AM -0700, Mark Kent wrote: > This isn't more than a nuisance for me, but I run a small net. > Should I conclude that an ISP with a population 10 times bigger > would have their border routers getting pinged at 10 times the > rate I see? If so, should we care, or

Re: Arbor Networks DoS defense product

2002-05-15 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 06:25:15PM -0700, PJ wrote: > Granted. However, the suggestion to place said host/network into some > sort of BGP black hole, has it's problems. The community has a whole Keep in mind that this would be a subscription service. It's not as though the route would be annou

Re: Arbor Networks DoS defense product

2002-05-15 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 06:04:40PM -0700, PJ wrote: > Sorry for not including nanog in the reply. What about MAPS? They > routinely scan netblocks without consent. Does this tool > differenciate between local and non-local scanning? Scanning is The tool in question may not even exist yet. Th

Re: Arbor Networks DoS defense product

2002-05-15 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 05:22:39PM -0700, PJ wrote: > Are you now operating under the premise that scans != anything but the > prelude to an attack? Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but > I would hate to think any legitimate scanning of a network or host > would result in a false posi

Re: Selective DNS replies

2002-04-25 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:44:59PM +0100, Avleen Vig wrote: > Your conf file shows that it is set up as: > Define a view > Now allocate zonefiles to it > > What if you host multiple domains, and the view you want to give them > overlap? Is it not possible to do: > Make a zone file > Put

Re: Network problems around Mae-West/San Jose CA

2002-04-22 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:20:24AM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > A few network providers seem to be having trouble with MAE-West > in San Jose (I believe MAE-West ATM). The providers I can see, don't > have problems reach MAE-West. I'm not in San Jose, but CalTrans > indicates there is a large fi

Re: Satellite latency

2002-03-05 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:38:42AM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > You should also beware of turning up TCP window settings to whatever big > number you feel like. I can only vouch for unix systems here, but the way > the socket interface and kernel tcp works requires a buffer which is b

Re: Satellite latency

2002-02-28 Thread Clayton Fiske
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 11:01:04PM -0500, Mark Allman wrote: > > The receiver is the one that informs the sender how large of a > > window it can accept, so it can be practical for a subscriber > > installation. It wouldn't be a good idea to park a bunch of > > servers behind one of these links,