Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-16 Thread Joe Abley
promote subscriber growth is, I think, faulty. Joe

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread Joe Provo
around such suit-induced damage in general, by dismissing any steps involving automation. Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread Joe Abley
in dealing with end-users that is rarely reflected in the org chart or pay scale. Joe

Re: the O(N^2) problem

2008-04-14 Thread Joe Greco
sent transactional e-mail and customer support correspondence, and the individually composed non-HTML REPLIES to customer inquiries are eaten by Hotmail, or tossed in the spam folder. Nice. (I know, we all have our stories) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-14 Thread Joe Greco
. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-13 Thread Joe Greco
be nice. IFF (and often/mostly they don't) anyone cared to actually try to resolve individual problems. Don't expect them to want to, because for the most part, they do not. Sigh. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-13 Thread Joe Greco
On April 13, 2008 at 14:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) wrote: I would have thought it was obvious, but to see this sort of enlightened ignorance(*) suggests that it isn't: The current methods of spam filtering require a certain level of opaqueness. Indeed, that must be the problem

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-13 Thread Joe Greco
to the Spam Problem. Shoot all the spammers? :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-13 Thread Joe Greco
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote: browsers such as Firefox and Thunderbird. But it is a LARGE paradigm shift, and it doesn't even solve every problem with the e-mail system. I am unconvinced that there aren't smaller potential paradigm shifts that could be made. However

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-13 Thread Joe Greco
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote: I believe this is functionally equivalent to the block 25 and consider SMTP dead FUSSP. It's worth noting that each newer system is being systematically attacked as well. It isn't really a solution, it's just changing problem platforms

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-11 Thread Joe Abley
outsourced the coordination of your boycott to Yahoo!, too! They're already not accepting your mail. There's no need to stop sending it! :-) Joe

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-11 Thread Joe Greco
it with anyone interested. It has technical merit going for it, but it represents a significant divergence from current practice. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I

Re: spam wanted :)

2008-04-10 Thread Joe Greco
as I can reasonably imagine being. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-10 Thread Joe Greco
likely that a jump in volume may trigger this too, especially of an unfiltered stream. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n

Any tool or theorical method on detecting number of computer behind a NAT box?

2008-04-07 Thread Joe Shen
provide prdouct for detecting number of computers behind NAT/PAT box. Is there any paper or document on how such product work? where could I fint them ? Joe __ Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through

Re: Nanog 43/CBX -- Hotel codes etc

2008-04-05 Thread Joe Greco
of things.) Looking and acting like you belong is good advice in most circumstances. Act like the other monkeys. If you don't give someone reason to question you, they probably won't. Wait, oh, that's the guide book for infiltrating facilities ... ;-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network

Re: fiber switch for gig

2008-04-01 Thread Joe Greco
considering. 16 SFP plus 8 shared SFP/copper make it a fairly flexible device. You did say cost effective, right? :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact

Re: rack power question

2008-03-25 Thread Joe Abley
problems. Wouldn't some light mineral oil be a better option than water? Joe

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Joe Abley
runs on more capable hardware. Joe

Re: Operators Penalized? (was Re: Kenyan Route Hijack)

2008-03-17 Thread Joe Maimon
Glen Kent wrote: Do ISPs (PTA, AboveNet, etc) that unintentionally hijack someone else IP address space, ever get penalized in *any* form? The net only functions as a single entity because sp's intentionally DONT hijack space and the mutual trust in other sp's rational behavior.

load balancing and fault tolerance without load balancer

2008-03-14 Thread Joe Shen
above? we use HP-UX with MC-Service Guard installed. thanks in advance. Joe __ Tired of visiting multiple sites for showtimes? Yahoo! Movies is all you need http://sg.movies.yahoo.com

Re: load balancing and fault tolerance without load balancer

2008-03-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Mar-2008, at 12:42, Joe Shen wrote: Is there any way to solve problem above? The approach described in http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0505/abley.cluster.html would probably work, so long as the routers choosing between the ECMP routes are able to make route selections per flow

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
resolver?) but I seem to think it will provide route advertisements and route out either using 6to4 or a manually- configured tunnel. Joe

Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Joe Shen
hi, is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection speed? e.g. we want to measue the delay between the TCP SYN and receiving SYN ACK packet. Joe __ Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Joe Shen
. Is there tools like smokeping to monitoring e2e TCP connecting speed? Joe --- Darden, Patrick S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best way to do it is right after the SYN just count one one thousand, two one thousand until you get the ACK. This works best for RFC 1149 traffic, but is applicable

Re: IETF Journal Announcement (fwd)

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
of time bucket years ago. Joe

Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
than there was then, however. I have never worked for UU/MFS, lest anybody draw that conclusion. Joe

Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
as a separate, unprotected circuit. (But quite possibly I'm missing your point.) Joe

Re: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-04 Thread Joe Abley
useful. Joe

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-23 Thread Joe Greco
, in the EU service area. I think I know some people like that. I know for a fact that I know people with swamp C's here in the US. That would seem to set the bar higher than a mere 7 bits. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-22 Thread Joe Greco
of useful numbers and estimates would be helpful and interesting. Your arguments about why it's all wrong, minus any better suggestion of how to do it, are useless. Sorry, that's just the way it is. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-21 Thread Joe Greco
and non-DFZ-capable on stuff that have similar features in other ways. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-21 Thread Joe Greco
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Greco wrote: Given that the 3750 is not acceptable, then what exactly would you propose for a 48 port multigigabit router, capable of wirespeed, that does /not/ hold a 300K+ prefix table? All we need is a model number and a price, and then we can substitute

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Greco
for that. ;-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Greco
, but the PA deaggregation situation is fairly rough. There would also seem to be some things that smaller sites could do to fix the PA deagg situation. Is this the way people see things going, if we're going to be realistic? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Greco
the highest is at least somewhat cheaper. That means that the main advantages to Road Runner are: 1) Availability in non-DSL areas, 2) A 14M/1M service plan currently unmatched by DSL (TTBOMK). That latter one is simply going to act as a magnet to the high bandwidth users. Interesting. ... JG -- Joe

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Abley
that they aren't perfectly appropriate for a large proportion of deployed routers which take a full table. Joe

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Joe Greco
. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's

Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
so? Typing IPv6 into the search box at http://resellerhelp.tucows.com/faq1.php returns: Q: Is IPV6 supported? A: No. IPV6 is currently not supported. It's not entirely clear what that means (glue? transport?), but it doesn't sound tremendously promising. Joe

Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
answer. Joe

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Greco
works for stories.. Heh. *Choosing* to hardcode rather than use DNS is one thing. *Having* to hardcode because the gear is too stupid (as Joe Greco put it) is however Caveat emptor no matter how you slice it... Mostly. I could make a strong case that some security gear shouldn't let you

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-17 Thread Joe Greco
address, particularly on remote computers, would make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's, recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too stupid to do DNS, etc. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http

Re: Network Operator Groups Outside the US

2008-01-17 Thread Joe Abley
with no technical content but a lot of alcohol and poker. Joe

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-17 Thread Joe Greco
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:30 CST, Joe Greco said: make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's, recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too stupid to do DNS, etc. I'll admit that fixing up /etc/resolv.conf and whatever

Re: Network Operator Groups Outside the US

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Provo
://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Other_Operations_Groups ...and aggregated calendars: - http://www.icann.org/general/calendar/ - http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/events/ Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Greco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) writes: ... So, anyways, would it be entertaining to discuss the relative merits of various DNS implementations that attempt to provide geographic answers to requests, versus doing it at a higher level? (I can hear everyone groaning now, and some purist

Re: FW: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:43:12 -0500 William Herrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 5:25 PM, Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So users who rarely use their connection are more profitable to the ISP. The fat man isn't a welcome sight to the owner of the AYCE buffet. Joe

Re: BGP Filtering

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
attribute the presence of covered prefixes to incompetence. Joe

Re: FW: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
Joe Greco wrote: Time to stop selling the always on connections, then, I guess, because it is always on - not P2P - which is the fat man never leaving. P2P is merely the fat man eating a lot while he's there. As long as we're keeping up this metaphor, P2P is the fat man who says he's

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
built in knowledge of the networks in question, and where such information wasn't available, took best guess and then may have done a little research after the fact for future queries. This isn't as comprehensive as doing actual latency / throughput / pl checking. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net

Re: FW: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
Joe Greco wrote: I have no idea what the networking equivalent of thirty-seven half-eaten bags of Cheetos is, can't even begin to imagine what the virtual equivalent of my couch is, etc. Your metaphor doesn't really make any sense to me, sorry. There isn't one. The fat man metaphor

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2008, at 12:50, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance. Yeah, it's topology modulated by economics :-) Joe

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
-- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-14 Thread Joe Greco
. So, do the modulations of your access technologies dictate what your users are going to want to do with their Internet in the future, or is it possible that you'll have to change things to accomodate different realities? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http

Re: FW: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-14 Thread Joe Greco
, though, from a networking point of view? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Greco
level or at the business plan level. One solution is to stop accepting new customers where a tower is already operating at a level which is effectively rendering it full. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Greco
Joe Greco wrote, There are lots of things that could heavily stress your upload channel. Things I've seen would include: 1) Sending a bunch of full-size pictures to all your friends and family, which might not seem too bad until it's a gig worth of 8-megapixel photos and 30

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Greco
. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Greco
that this borders on unfair-to-the-(W)ISP, but if you are incapable of considering and contemplating these sorts of questions, then that's a bad thing. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance

RE: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-09 Thread Joe St Sauver
for the high capacity circuits are prohibitively expensive. That's part of the discussion I offered in Capacity Planning and System and Network Security, a talk I did for the April '07 Internet2 Member Meeting, see http://www.uoregon.edu/~joe/i2-cap-plan/internet2-capacity-planning.ppt (or .pdf) at slides

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-09 Thread Joe Provo
ONT CPE looks a lot like voice pre-carterfone... Joe, not promoting/supporting any position, just trying to provide facts about running last-mile networks. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-09 Thread Joe St Sauver
:7123/ ) are incredibly seditious resources. :-) Regards, Joe St Sauver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Disclaimer: all opinions strictly my own.

Re: Using x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 host addresses in supernets.

2008-01-08 Thread Joe Provo
. Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Using x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 host addresses in supernets.

2008-01-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Jon Lewis wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Joe Provo wrote: Yes. Efficient address utilization is a Good Thing. I realize that technically they are valid addresses, but does anyone assign a node or server which is a member of a /22 with a x.x.x.0

Re: Assigning IPv6 /48's to CPE's?

2007-12-31 Thread Joe Greco
. Certainly, if the node is the only one on the subnet. So in the case of Joe, the residential DSL subscriber who has 50,000 PCs, TiVo's, microwaves, and nanobots that all need unique routable IP addresses, what is to stop him from assigning them unique client ID's (last 64 bits) under

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-26 Thread Joe Greco
? Because if not, there are options there ... but of course, that leads down a road where an ISP may not want to allocate as much as a /64 ... What parts of this can we tackle through RIR policy? RFC requirements? Best practice? Customer education? ( :-) ) Other ideas? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-26 Thread Joe Maimon
Tony Li wrote: On Dec 26, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: It's unlikely that it will matter. In practice, ICMP router discovery died a long time ago, thanks to neglect. Host vendors didn't adopt it, and it languished. The problem eventually got solved with HSRP and its

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-25 Thread Joe Greco
. That much is certain. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-24 Thread Joe Greco
-- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-24 Thread Joe Greco
Joe Greco wrote: [..] Okay, here, let me make it reaaally simple. Yes, indeed lets make it reaaally simple for you: If your ISP has been delegated a /48 (admittedly unlikely, but possible= ) for $1,250/year, and they assign you a /56, their cost to provide

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-24 Thread Joe Maimon
have all been on it already without the dozens of super-freighters attached to the 128bit tugboat. Joe

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-23 Thread Joe Greco
the difference between corporate and residential as an exercise to the reader; suffice it to say that the answers are rather obvious in the same manner. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-23 Thread Joe Greco
to the subnet for the home computer(s), but not to each other, will be far beyond the abilities of the average home user. Well, this gets back to what I was saying before. At a certain point, Joe Sixpack might become sophisticated enough to have an electrician come in and run an ethernet cable from the jack

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-23 Thread Joe Greco
. And inside a /64, you have sufficient space that there's probably nothing you can't do. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-23 Thread Joe Greco
, let's not pretend that they're the same thing, since they're clearly not. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-23 Thread Joe Greco
. I won't accept any further hand-waving as an answer, so to continue, please provide solid examples, as I've done. Perhaps more on-topic, how many IP addresses can dance on the head of a /64? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-21 Thread Joe Greco
prefix sizes. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-21 Thread Joe Greco
-- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-21 Thread Joe Greco
to need to be some way to manage that. I guess that's RIPv6/ng. :-) Nope... DHCPv6 prefix delegation and Router discovery. We'll see. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I

Re:

2007-12-08 Thread Joe Abley
think first you have to decide what a typical AS looks like. The question, as it stands, is too general for any answer to be (in)defensible. Joe

Re: unwise filtering policy from cox.net

2007-11-21 Thread Joe Greco
, regardless of what the RFC's say. The need to be able to accept unfiltered recipients has certain implications for mail operations, such as that it could be bad to use IP level filtering to implement a shared block for bad senders. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee

Re: unwise filtering policy from cox.net

2007-11-20 Thread Joe Greco
you to try sending along a brief note without any BL-listed URL's, to see if you can get a response that way. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
as smaller, non-carrier networks!) do that seem on the face of it to defy explanation, of which this is just one example :-) Joe

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Greco
... right? Consider it life on the Internet. Do their job for them. Around here, we've been doing BCP38 since before there was a BCP38. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
/status reporting -- e.g. IMP 'unreachable', 'ttl exceeded', 'redirect', etc. -- should *NOT* be filtered at network boundaries _solely_ because of an RFC1918 source address. I respectfully disagree. Joe

Re: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs

2007-11-08 Thread Joe Greco
sins, including a relatively naive implementation. With that in mind, I'd guess that you are more likely to be successful than not. The downside is that if it doesn't work out, you can recycle that PC into a more traditional role. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI

Re: Hey, SiteFinder is back, again...

2007-11-05 Thread Joe Greco
-- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many

Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?

2007-10-30 Thread Joe Greco
where the mail stream consists of a low volume (10/day) of transactional and support e-mail directly arising from user-purchased services, on an IP address that had never previously sent e-mail - ever. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-26 Thread Joe Greco
as being the major available options. ALL of these can be effective. EACH of them has specific downsides. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-26 Thread Joe Greco
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote: The part of this discussion that really infuriates me (and Joe Greco has hit most of the salient points) is the deceptiveness in how ISPs underwrite the service their customers subscribe to. For instance, in our data centers, we have 1Gb

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Joe Greco
issues. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone

Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets

2007-10-24 Thread Joe Greco
for the numbers you're selling, even if you are able to buy cheaper upstream bandwidth for it. Perhaps that's just an argument to fix the last mile. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance

Re: Verizon has been listening to nanog.

2007-10-24 Thread Joe Maimon
Hex Star wrote: On 10/23/07, Leo Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-10-23-verizon-fios-plan_N.htm 20 Mbps down, 20 Mbps up, fully symmetrical for $65. That's pretty sweet, now all they have to do is start laying the fiber over here... And stop

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-23 Thread Joe Provo
. A provider-hosted solution which managed to transparently handle this across multiple clients and trackers would likely be popular with the end users. Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets

2007-10-23 Thread Joe Provo
on NANOG. No edge provider of geographic scope/scale will survive if 1:1 ratios were built and priced accordingly. Perhaps the MA colonialism era is coming to a close and smaller, regional nation- states... erm last-mile providers will be the entities to grow with satisfied customers? Cheers, Joe

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-22 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 10:45:49PM -0400, Geo. wrote: [snip] Second, the more people on your network running fileshare network software and sharing, the less backbone bandwidth your users are going to use when downloading from a fileshare network because those on your network are going to

Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads

2007-10-21 Thread Joe Greco
up. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-21 Thread Joe Greco
learned to control their applications and make them play nicely on the network. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-21 Thread Joe Greco
. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-21 Thread Joe Greco
Joe Greco wrote: Well, because when you promise someone an Internet connection, they usually expect it to work. Is it reasonable for Comcast to unilaterally decide that my P2P filesharing of my family photos and video clips is bad? Comcast is currently providing 1GB of web hosting

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