promote
subscriber growth is, I think, faulty.
Joe
around such suit-induced damage in general, by dismissing
any steps involving automation.
Cheers,
Joe
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in dealing with end-users that is rarely
reflected in the org chart or pay scale.
Joe
sent transactional
e-mail and customer support correspondence, and the individually composed
non-HTML REPLIES to customer inquiries are eaten by Hotmail, or tossed in
the spam folder. Nice. (I know, we all have our stories)
... JG
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.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's
be nice. IFF (and
often/mostly they don't) anyone cared to actually try to resolve individual
problems. Don't expect them to want to, because for the most part, they do
not. Sigh.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite
On April 13, 2008 at 14:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) wrote:
I would have thought it was obvious, but to see this sort of enlightened
ignorance(*) suggests that it isn't: The current methods of spam filtering
require a certain level of opaqueness.
Indeed, that must be the problem
to the Spam Problem.
Shoot all the spammers? :-)
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
browsers such as Firefox and Thunderbird. But it is a LARGE paradigm
shift, and it doesn't even solve every problem with the e-mail system.
I am unconvinced that there aren't smaller potential paradigm shifts that
could be made. However
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
I believe this is functionally equivalent to the block 25 and consider
SMTP dead FUSSP.
It's worth noting that each newer system is being systematically attacked
as well. It isn't really a solution, it's just changing problem platforms
outsourced the
coordination of your boycott to Yahoo!, too! They're already not
accepting your mail. There's no need to stop sending it! :-)
Joe
it
with anyone interested. It has technical merit going for it, but it
represents a significant divergence from current practice.
... JG
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as I can
reasonably imagine being.
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small
likely that a jump
in volume may trigger this too, especially of an unfiltered stream.
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n
provide prdouct for detecting
number of computers behind NAT/PAT box.
Is there any paper or document on how such product
work? where could I fint them ?
Joe
__
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of things.)
Looking and acting like you belong is good advice in most circumstances.
Act like the other monkeys. If you don't give someone reason to question
you, they probably won't. Wait, oh, that's the guide book for infiltrating
facilities ... ;-)
... JG
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considering.
16 SFP plus 8 shared SFP/copper make it a fairly flexible device.
You did say cost effective, right? :-)
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact
problems.
Wouldn't some light mineral oil be a better option than water?
Joe
runs on more capable hardware.
Joe
Glen Kent wrote:
Do ISPs (PTA, AboveNet, etc) that unintentionally hijack someone
else IP address space, ever get penalized in *any* form?
The net only functions as a single entity because sp's intentionally
DONT hijack space and the mutual trust in other sp's rational behavior.
above?
we use HP-UX with MC-Service Guard installed.
thanks in advance.
Joe
__
Tired of visiting multiple sites for showtimes?
Yahoo! Movies is all you need
http://sg.movies.yahoo.com
On 14-Mar-2008, at 12:42, Joe Shen wrote:
Is there any way to solve problem above?
The approach described in http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0505/abley.cluster.html
would probably work, so long as the routers choosing between the
ECMP routes are able to make route selections per flow
resolver?) but I seem to think it will provide route
advertisements and route out either using 6to4 or a manually-
configured tunnel.
Joe
hi,
is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection
speed?
e.g. we want to measue the delay between the TCP SYN
and receiving SYN ACK packet.
Joe
__
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.
Is there tools like smokeping to monitoring e2e TCP
connecting speed?
Joe
--- Darden, Patrick S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Best way to do it is right after the SYN just count
one one thousand, two one thousand until you get
the ACK. This works best for RFC 1149 traffic, but
is applicable
of time bucket years ago.
Joe
than there was
then, however.
I have never worked for UU/MFS, lest anybody draw that conclusion.
Joe
as a
separate, unprotected circuit.
(But quite possibly I'm missing your point.)
Joe
useful.
Joe
, in the EU service area. I think I know
some people like that.
I know for a fact that I know people with swamp C's here in the US. That
would seem to set the bar higher than a mere 7 bits.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite
of useful numbers and estimates would be helpful
and interesting. Your arguments about why it's all wrong, minus any better
suggestion of how to do it, are useless. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
... JG
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We call
and non-DFZ-capable on stuff
that have similar features in other ways.
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
Given that the 3750 is not acceptable, then what exactly would you propose
for a 48 port multigigabit router, capable of wirespeed, that does /not/
hold a 300K+ prefix table? All we need is a model number and a price, and
then we can substitute
for that.
;-)
... JG
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With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's
, but the PA deaggregation situation is fairly
rough. There would also seem to be some things that smaller sites could
do to fix the PA deagg situation. Is this the way people see things
going, if we're going to be realistic?
... JG
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the highest is at least somewhat
cheaper.
That means that the main advantages to Road Runner are:
1) Availability in non-DSL areas,
2) A 14M/1M service plan currently unmatched by DSL (TTBOMK).
That latter one is simply going to act as a magnet to the high bandwidth
users.
Interesting.
... JG
--
Joe
that they
aren't perfectly appropriate for a large proportion of deployed
routers which take a full table.
Joe
.
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's
so?
Typing IPv6 into the search box at http://resellerhelp.tucows.com/faq1.php
returns:
Q: Is IPV6 supported?
A: No. IPV6 is currently not supported.
It's not entirely clear what that means (glue? transport?), but it
doesn't sound tremendously promising.
Joe
answer.
Joe
works for stories..
Heh.
*Choosing* to hardcode rather than use DNS is one thing. *Having* to
hardcode because the gear is too stupid (as Joe Greco put it) is
however Caveat emptor no matter how you slice it...
Mostly. I could make a strong case that some security gear shouldn't
let you
address, particularly on remote computers, would
make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's,
recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too
stupid to do DNS, etc.
... JG
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with no technical
content but a lot of alcohol and poker.
Joe
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:30 CST, Joe Greco said:
make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's,
recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too
stupid to do DNS, etc.
I'll admit that fixing up /etc/resolv.conf and whatever
://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Other_Operations_Groups
...and aggregated calendars:
- http://www.icann.org/general/calendar/
- http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/events/
Cheers,
Joe
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) writes:
...
So, anyways, would it be entertaining to discuss the relative merits of
various DNS implementations that attempt to provide geographic answers
to requests, versus doing it at a higher level? (I can hear everyone
groaning now, and some purist
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:43:12 -0500
William Herrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 5:25 PM, Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So users who rarely use their connection are more profitable to the ISP.
The fat man isn't a welcome sight to the owner of the AYCE buffet.
Joe
attribute the presence of
covered prefixes to incompetence.
Joe
Joe Greco wrote:
Time to stop selling the always on connections, then, I guess, because
it is always on - not P2P - which is the fat man never leaving. P2P
is merely the fat man eating a lot while he's there.
As long as we're keeping up this metaphor, P2P is the fat man who says
he's
built in knowledge of the networks in question,
and where such information wasn't available, took best guess and then may
have done a little research after the fact for future queries. This isn't
as comprehensive as doing actual latency / throughput / pl checking.
... JG
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Joe Greco wrote:
I have no idea what the networking equivalent of thirty-seven half-eaten
bags of Cheetos is, can't even begin to imagine what the virtual equivalent
of my couch is, etc. Your metaphor doesn't really make any sense to me,
sorry.
There isn't one. The fat man metaphor
On 15-Jan-2008, at 12:50, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance.
Yeah, it's topology modulated by economics :-)
Joe
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
.
So, do the modulations of your access technologies dictate what your
users are going to want to do with their Internet in the future, or is it
possible that you'll have to change things to accomodate different
realities?
... JG
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, though, from a networking point of view?
... JG
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With 24 million
level or at the business plan level.
One solution is to stop accepting new customers where a tower is already
operating at a level which is effectively rendering it full.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule
Joe Greco wrote,
There are lots of things that could heavily stress your upload channel.
Things I've seen would include:
1) Sending a bunch of full-size pictures to all your friends and family,
which might not seem too bad until it's a gig worth of 8-megapixel
photos and 30
.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way
that this borders on unfair-to-the-(W)ISP, but if
you are incapable of considering and contemplating these sorts of
questions, then that's a bad thing.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
for the high capacity
circuits are prohibitively expensive. That's part of the discussion
I offered in Capacity Planning and System and Network Security, a
talk I did for the April '07 Internet2 Member Meeting, see
http://www.uoregon.edu/~joe/i2-cap-plan/internet2-capacity-planning.ppt
(or .pdf) at slides
ONT CPE looks a lot like voice pre-carterfone...
Joe, not promoting/supporting any position, just trying to provide
facts about running last-mile networks.
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:7123/ ) are incredibly
seditious resources. :-)
Regards,
Joe St Sauver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Disclaimer: all opinions strictly my own.
.
Cheers,
Joe
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On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Joe Provo wrote:
Yes. Efficient address utilization is a Good Thing.
I realize that technically they are valid addresses, but does anyone
assign a node or server which is a member of a /22 with a x.x.x.0
.
Certainly, if the node is the only one on the subnet.
So in the case of Joe, the residential DSL subscriber
who has 50,000 PCs, TiVo's, microwaves, and nanobots that all need unique
routable IP addresses, what is to stop him from assigning them unique client
ID's (last 64 bits) under
? Because if not, there are
options there ... but of course, that leads down a road where an ISP may
not want to allocate as much as a /64 ...
What parts of this can we tackle through RIR policy? RFC requirements?
Best practice? Customer education? ( :-) ) Other ideas?
... JG
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Tony Li wrote:
On Dec 26, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
It's unlikely that it will matter. In practice, ICMP router discovery
died a long time ago, thanks to neglect. Host vendors didn't adopt it,
and it languished. The problem eventually got solved with HSRP and its
.
That much is certain.
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many
Joe Greco wrote:
[..]
Okay, here, let me make it reaaally simple.
Yes, indeed lets make it reaaally simple for you:
If your ISP has been delegated a /48 (admittedly unlikely, but possible=
)
for $1,250/year, and they assign you a /56, their cost to provide
have all been on it
already without the dozens of super-freighters attached to the 128bit
tugboat.
Joe
the difference between corporate and residential as an exercise
to the reader; suffice it to say that the answers are rather obvious in the
same manner.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
to the subnet for the home computer(s), but not to each other,
will be far beyond the abilities of the average home user.
Well, this gets back to what I was saying before.
At a certain point, Joe Sixpack might become sophisticated enough to have
an electrician come in and run an ethernet cable from the jack
. And inside a /64, you have sufficient space that there's probably
nothing you can't do. :-)
... JG
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, let's not pretend that they're the same thing,
since they're clearly not.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e
. I won't accept any further hand-waving as an answer,
so to continue, please provide solid examples, as I've done.
Perhaps more on-topic, how many IP addresses can dance on the head of
a /64?
... JG
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We call it the 'one
prefix sizes.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US
--
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
to need to be some way to manage that. I guess that's RIPv6/ng. :-)
Nope... DHCPv6 prefix delegation and Router discovery.
We'll see.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
think first you have to decide what a typical AS looks like. The
question, as it stands, is too general for any answer to be
(in)defensible.
Joe
, regardless of what the RFC's say.
The need to be able to accept unfiltered recipients has certain
implications for mail operations, such as that it could be bad to use IP
level filtering to implement a shared block for bad senders.
... JG
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you to try sending along a brief note without any
BL-listed URL's, to see if you can get a response that way.
... JG
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won't contact you again
as
smaller, non-carrier networks!) do that seem on the face of it to defy
explanation, of which this is just one example :-)
Joe
... right?
Consider it life on the Internet. Do their job for them.
Around here, we've been doing BCP38 since before there was a BCP38.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't
/status reporting -- e.g. IMP
'unreachable',
'ttl exceeded', 'redirect', etc. -- should *NOT* be filtered at
network
boundaries _solely_ because of an RFC1918 source address.
I respectfully disagree.
Joe
sins, including a
relatively naive implementation. With that in mind, I'd guess that you
are more likely to be successful than not. The downside is that if it
doesn't work out, you can recycle that PC into a more traditional role.
... JG
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--
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many
where the mail stream consists of
a low volume (10/day) of transactional and support e-mail directly
arising from user-purchased services, on an IP address that had
never previously sent e-mail - ever.
... JG
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We call
as being the major available options. ALL of these can be
effective. EACH of them has specific downsides.
... JG
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won't contact you again
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote:
The part of this discussion that really infuriates me (and Joe
Greco has hit most of the salient points) is the deceptiveness
in how ISPs underwrite the service their customers subscribe to.
For instance, in our data centers, we have 1Gb
issues.
... JG
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With 24 million small businesses in the US alone
for the numbers you're selling, even if you
are able to buy cheaper upstream bandwidth for it.
Perhaps that's just an argument to fix the last mile.
... JG
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We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
Hex Star wrote:
On 10/23/07, Leo Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-10-23-verizon-fios-plan_N.htm
20 Mbps down, 20 Mbps up, fully symmetrical for $65.
That's pretty sweet, now all they have to do is start laying the fiber
over here...
And stop
. A provider-hosted solution which
managed to transparently handle this across multiple clients and
trackers would likely be popular with the end users.
Cheers,
Joe
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on NANOG. No edge provider of geographic scope/scale will
survive if 1:1 ratios were built and priced accordingly. Perhaps the
MA colonialism era is coming to a close and smaller, regional nation-
states... erm last-mile providers will be the entities to grow with
satisfied customers?
Cheers,
Joe
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 10:45:49PM -0400, Geo. wrote:
[snip]
Second, the more people on your network running fileshare network software
and sharing, the less backbone bandwidth your users are going to use when
downloading from a fileshare network because those on your network are
going to
up.
... JG
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With 24 million small businesses in the US alone
learned to
control their applications and make them play nicely on the network.
:-)
... JG
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won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n
.
... JG
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With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
Joe Greco wrote:
Well, because when you promise someone an Internet connection, they usually
expect it to work. Is it reasonable for Comcast to unilaterally decide that
my P2P filesharing of my family photos and video clips is bad?
Comcast is currently providing 1GB of web hosting
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