RE: NANOG Changes

Hi Gadi, > Gadi Evron wrote: > Please read the below text in full, if you are going to read > any of it. I use a lot of cynicism to get my point across. Same here. Besides cynicism, I also use (and possibly abuse) sarcasm. > I haven't been involved with the NANOG reform initiative, > and haven

RE: NANOG Changes

> William Allen Simpson wrote: > Please, the interim-moderators should moderate, and the > bylaws drafters should draft, and they should be separate. > It's the usual difference between the Chair and the Editor > (or Raporteur, or Recording Secretary). > I introduced this important division to the

RE: NANOG Changes

> Paul Vixie wrote: > I am uncomfortable having folks from the nanog-reform > community accepting responsibility for provisional > moderation (a form of interim governance), So am I. However, I will point out that these individuals have acted with precipitation (which is the correct term to use w

RE: NANOG Changes

> William Allen Simpson wrote: > And I especially like Paul's point that those serving as the > moderators be disqualified from serving in another position > for at least a year. Ditto. Michel.

RE: who's next?

[Disclaimer: I do not intend to aim at Savvis in particular. It just happens that they make the news today. For all practical purposes, s/Savvis/your_favorite_operator] > : > Mr McCormick promised that within the next 10 days all > spammers will

RE: ISP Policies

> Tulip Rasputin wrote: > That's why i explicitly asked for some "social/political/etc." > reasons where an ISP may not want his traffic to traverse some > particular AS number(s). Something which is beyond BGP to > determine as of now ! :-) FWIW, this is exactly how I understood the question. It

RE: ISP Policies

> Tulip Rasputin wrote: > Do the ISPs ever look for some particular AS number in the BGP > AS_PATH and then decide what action/preference/priority they > need to take/give based on the AS number(s) present in the BGP > AS_PATH_SEQ/SET? If there is a question that nobody here wants to answer, th

RE: XP SP2 other than windows update

Nanog folk, Last week, I downloaded XP2 SP2 on one the major P2P networks (eDonkey). Preliminary/FYI: None of the large organizations I am involved with has deployed SP2 on a large scale yet. Users that request it will likely get it (from a share on a corporate server that is); some organizatio

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

>> Michel Py wrote: >> In other words: as of today a large part of the bandwidth is >> allocated to building everyone's collection of files. This >> might gradually change to become bandwidth being used only >> for incremental updates as huge local file librari

RE: XP SP2 other than windows update

> Steven Susbauer wrote: > I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. Me neither. Although I had it for a while I downloaded it from the Microsoft web site again twice today (did not bother to look where it resolved), from home and office, and it came each time in less than 15 minutes for th

RE: XP SP2 other than windows update

Title: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steven SusbauerSent: Wed 9/1/2004 9:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. I have heard they'reasking ISP's not to mirror

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

> Peter Galbavy wrote: > My personal reasons for any downloading of audio, specifically, > in it's unavailability through retail channels. I keep picking > up references to older stuff that has been dumped by the pop-bods > many years ago and cannot be bought for love nor money. I may be > breakin

RE: XP SP2 other than windows update

> Roland Perry wrote: > I'm an IT professional, but only one of my PCs is running XP. > And it's a full-price retail copy, not a bundled-OEM or upgrade. > Hence me feeling left out when I'm told that "IT professionals" > have already been allowed their Windows-update. Every IT professional I know

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

> Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly > 'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get: > 1) votes > 2) 'political bang for the buck' > 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear > really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in p

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

> Matthew McGehrin wrote: > Tell her to kiss my white ass. Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new one. Michel.

RE: Best Practices for Enterprise networks

>> Tracy Smith wrote: >> Specifically, to NAT or not to NAT? This is not much of an issue anymore. If you receive IP addresses from your ISP, not natting would be foolish. Even if you do own your own public IP space, the NAT issues are fundamentally no different than the firewall ones and since n

RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)

>> Michel Py wrote: >> Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not >> charities. Their purpose is to make investors and >> shareholders (which includes me) happy. And yes, this >> includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical >> prices when t

RE: BGP Homing Question

>>> Patrick W Gilmore wrote: >>> It is your netblock, you get to use it as needed. >> Michel Py wrote: >> This is not a good reason; it might be a good >> excuse, but not a good reason. > Really? So if I have a /20, you are saying I > cannot use it as

RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)

> Deepak Jain wrote: > One could argue that this public & private chaffing is what > precipitates the competition that alleviates the condition. > If another vendor doesn't realize there is demand... Indeed; I'll even give an idea for free: 4 port OC192 IR $1030k 4 port OC192 VSR - $330k

RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR > card was $1099 you wouldn't hear any complaints from me. That's even worse than the current prices! Given that the VSR is currently 330k, the SR could be 450k and the IR 500k. > It's the fact that Cisco

RE: BGP Homing Question

> Patrick W Gilmore wrote: > There is zero "bad citizenry" in this, and don't > let anyone tell you differently. I agree, but not for the reason below: > It is your netblock, you get to use it as needed. This is not a good reason; it might be a good excuse, but not a good reason. > This is muc

RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > 4 port OC192 IR $1030k > Is there anyone who can justify this pricing > with anything else than "because we can?" That's a heck of a good reason! Any for-profit business tries hard to position themselves where they could name their price. This pricing is consistent

RE: More on Sri Lanka fiber outage....

> Suresh Ramasubramanian > It's a break bulk ship - a large container vessel for shipping > extra large or awkwardly sized cargo like coal / fertilizer / > oil pipes etc Built in 1978 and has seen real hard use every > day it's been in service as far as I can see from googling > out the marine reg

O/T: Nanog Friday night useless chatter was:RE: Specialty Technical Publishers

> Mike Lewinski wrote: > In any event, after doing some googling and finding other > victims of this company, I've decided to register > SpecialtyTechnicalPublishersSucks.com in order to publicly > document their abuses. As being someone that occasionally does the same kind of thing (and consider

RE: Blocked port 25?

Looks like your personal email has issues too... > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended > recipients. Subject: RE: Blocked port 25? Sent: > 8/19/2004 6:49 AM The following recipient(s) could not > be reached: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 8/19/2004 > 6:49 AM The destination server for

RE: Specialty Technical Publishers

>> Michel Py wrote: >> File a complaint with the BBB of Vancouver, BC. They are known >> to the BBB. Then, let their collection goons waste their time >> and their money, and tell them that if they want to see it back >> they have to send you a prepaid box. > Mik

RE: Specialty Technical Publishers

> Mike Lewinski wrote: > Has anyone else has run into these scumbags? Sometime last > winter I received a call along the lines of "We'd like to > send you some materials to review". Well, they sent some > "Internet Law encyclopedia" along with an invoice for ~$700. > Of course, there was no cost m

RE: Current street prices for US Internet Transit

at long) dominant players in a given industry are the ones that survived the slide with greased skids. >> Michel Py wrote: >> Someone mentioned that this was comparing apples to >> oranges. Indeed it is, > I would disagree that these are apples and oranges > comparisons -

RE: Current street prices for US Internet Transit

> William B. Norton wrote: > Three said that these transit prices were TOO LOW, in > one case they paid about double these numbers. It was > interesting that these three were a content company, The really interesting question IMHO is this: does said content company also peers, or just buys transi

RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?

> Niels Bakker wrote: > Do you propose blocking goatse/tubgirl as well? The > same reasoning can apply to those sites. No, and you are comparing apples to oranges. As far as I know, neither goatse nor tubgirl tried to phish my password, SSN, or PIN (or I am missing something?) OTOH, I have rece

RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?

> william(at)elan.net wrote: > The only imlementation change to do this would be to provide > a link from the webpage where user might have been redirected > to the original website they wanted to access But the user never wanted to access the site in the first place; lots of these phishing scams

RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?

> Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > This is not IP hijacking by any means, Mmmm. What tells you that these routes won't be announced to peers or won't leak? We are not supposed to see announcements for bogons nor for RFC1918 space, but we do. Thinking about it, I agree that "hijacking" is not the prope

RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?

> Bevan Slattery wrote: > Just to ease peoples concerns, the patent has nothing > to do with blackholing. A brief description of the > way it works can be found here: I believe that I am not the only one that is concerned precisely because it is _not_ blackholing, it is hijacking, no matter how

RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?

> Andre Oppermann wrote: > If you remember the very old story on Slashdot where > some guy in Australia managed to secure a patent on a > "circular transportation device" (a.k.a. "Wheel") it > will explain many things... ;-) I mean no disrespect to people from down under, but I have heard several

RE: Current street prices for US Internet Transit

Bill, In order to compare apples to apples, clarifying the measuring unit of the commit would be nice, IMHO: > William B. Norton wrote: > if you commit to 1M per month 1M per month of what exactly? Is this average for the month or subject to 95th percent tile? Michel.

RE: Research - Valid Data Gathering vs. Annoying Other

> John K. Lerchey wrote: > The problem is that many of their "random targets" consider > the probes to be either malicious in nature, or outright > attacks. As a result of this, we, of course, get complaints. [me puts the politician/opportunist suit on. It's election year, after all]. The one thi

RE: sms messaging without a net?

>> Dan Hollis wrote: >> Does anyone know of a way to send SMS messages without an >> internet connection? Having a network monitoring system send >> sms pages via email very quickly runs into chicken-egg >> scenario. How do you email a page to let the admins >> know their net has gone down. :-P >

RE: Quick question.

>> Michel Py wrote: >> Terminators are a thing of the past; as a matter of >> fact, in California and especially in Sacramento >> they're called governators now. > Erik Bais wrote: > You mean, they'll be back? :-D Only once, and this model is obsol

RE: Quick question.

> Alexei Roudnev wrote: > (but we still like old and cheap 2x1Ggz servers, > able to do 99% of all tasks). Barely worth it anymore, these days you can find an Intel Server Chassis SR2300 and Intel Server Board SE7501WV2 (SCSI) for $1,500; it's a 2U dual-Xeon dual-channel DDR with 6 hot-swap scsi

RE: Quick question.

> Michael Loftis wrote: > Eh really? Whenever I've lost a second CPU (primary or secondary) > the machine was a brick until the secondary CPU was gutted and for > Piii slotted systems a terminator board was installed in the > secondary slot. That was with PIIs, PPros and PIIIs; and not always. W

RE: Quick question.

> Alexei Roudnev wrote: > We had 6509 which failed, because backplain failed (it can > not happen -:) but it happen) - iof course, no any 'dual > CPU dual power' could prevent it... Image broken line card > - it can crash whole box no matter how much 'dual' things > you have. The same with softwar

Faster site: DS-3 extended demarc photos

[It was pointed to me that the site was dog slow; indeed you guys are oversubscribing the upstream. I'm moving the jpegs to a bigger pipe; the low-res are already there, hires still copying, please be patient. Sorry for the inconvenience] Following photos are from a customer's frac DS-3 (BW cappe

DS-3 extended demarc photos

Following photos are from a customer's frac DS-3 (BW capped at 12mbps at the DSU). The ISP is Sprint the LEC is SBC. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/ds3demarc-lr.jpg This is the actual demarc; this is the back of the NIU, the two black cables in slot 1 on the right go to CPE. There is n

RE: COnfiguration Suggestion - Etherchannel

> Richard J. Sears wrote: > I am running a 6509 with Dual SUP720's in IOS mode only >(no cat software). It was pointed out that there are really > two different ways to configure the switch - I guess my > question is which is the best (lowest overhead, etc)? The two you posted are equivalent; th

RE: 2511 line break

>> Michel Py wrote: >> Dumb Cisco/SSH question: how do you get a banner to >> display _before_ the ssh user/pass prompts? > Christopher McCrory wrote: > On older IOS images with SSH protocol 1 , you can't > because the protocol does not support it. You need > S

RE: 2511 line break

MP> Michel Py typed: MP> Same here. There is more CPU power in a dishwasher than in MP> a 2611 these days. > Rafi Sadowsky > Did you mean a 2511? Doh, yes! Thanks for correcting. The 2600 is quite more capable, that would be a DVR not a dishwasher (no joke: the TiVo DVR is a

RE: 2511 line break

> Joe Abley wrote: > There are no ssh loads for the 2511 that allow you to actually > use ssh with a non-null cypher without triggering watchdog > timers on the router though, last time I checked. Same here. There is more CPU power in a dishwasher than in a 2611 these days. Dumb Cisco/SSH questi

RE: 2511 line break

> Dickson, Brian wrote: > IIRC, 2511's look the same as the aux on any Cisco box. > For those, it is "CTRL-carat x", where carat is '^', s/carat/caret ctrl-shift-6 x sends you back to the router prompt, it does not send a break. ctrl-shift-6 b does send a break. Michel.

RE: 2511 line break

ctrl-shift-6 then b -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2511 line break on a 2511, which i am using as a serial console server for a bunch of boxes, how do i send

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul - jack terminology

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've seen where STP (shielded twisted-pair cabling) purists have > succeeded in having shielded cabling used, only to screw it up by > mis-applying the necessary grounding connections causing more > problems than they solved. I have also seen funny issues with RJ48C

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

>> Michel Py wrote: >> I stopped by a T1 MPOE on my way home and took a few photos. > Michael Loftis wrote: > hate to say it but what is pictured is not a smart jack, > it is as you say a glorified patch. Care to post a photo of what you think a smartjack is? > a *TR

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul - jack terminology

> Forrest W. Christian wrote: > In Qwest land, NIU, Smart Jack, and Demarc (unless > "extended") are all in the same physical rack. > When you get a T1, qwest installs an appropriately > sized shelf. This shelf holds the adtran and > westell devices shown in earlier posts. For example, > we have o

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

> Christopher Woodfield wrote: > I think we can probably chalk this up to a difference > in dialect, for lack of a better word...what you're > calling an NIU is exactly what I would call a smartjack > and vice versa. Can you point to any sort of "official" > documentation that defines these? > Ch

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

> Christopher Woodfield wrote: > In the interest of complicating things further, I think > you have NIU and smartjack backwards in your explanation You think, which is a good beginning. Seeing it with your own eyes might be of some interest, NTM that doing it for a living for 20+ years may give n

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

Please don't feed the troll; he's about to be ejected from IETF mailing lists by my request, and can't stand it. Thanks Michel. -Original Message- From: Mark Kent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michel Py; [

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

> What is the "demarc"? The demarc is the service demarcation. On your side of the demarc, things are your responsibility. On the telco side of the demarc, it's your provider and/or the LEC responsibility. http://192.20.13.157/planner/tab003a.pdf look at figure 1 http://192.20.13.157/planner/tab

RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul

>> SmartJack with demarcation point in the office (or >> same floor) instead of the building entrance point I can't emphasize enough the importance of this, read ahead. > Mark Kent wrote: > You are not likely going to be able to control that, > it depends on how the install tech's day is going.

RE: Regional differences in P2P

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > Ethernet: > Peak almost twice upload as download. > Average is 2.5-3 times more upload than download. > ADSL 8M/800k: > Peak twice the amount download as upload > Average is 1.3-1.5 more download than upload > Upload bw usage is almost flat over time > Download bw pea

RE: Regional differences in P2P

> Hank Nussbacher wrote: > For June 2004 (AS378 - Israel): > top 10 receiving ports > Rank Port Bytes in Gigabytes Packets > 1 smtp (25/tcp) 344 GB 759247104 > 2 edonkey (4662/tcp) 186 GB 442992500 > 3 5662/tcp 154 GB 252829581 Note that 5662/tcp is edonkey as well. It is used by popular mods: 1

RE: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline

> Jonathan Nichols > www.ragingwire.com > Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, > it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Yep. Keep in mind that W.Tasman to Sacramento is a 2 hour drive at any given time and 3 1/2 hours on a Friday afternoon. Also, if you enjoy n

RE: Regional differences in P2P

>>> Michel Py wrote: >>> BitTorrent is a third of p2p traffic in Sweden? Wow. In >>> the US it is a small blip on the radar. >> Petri Helenius wrote: >> Should hold water for Sweden too. Wonder why so many of the >> bittorrent streams terminate in th

RE: Regional differences in P2P

y or the US it does not make a lot of sense to me. >> Michel Py wrote: >> I agree, but see above: a 40GB/mo cap is not something that >> I care about. Granted, I'm not a hardcore file swapper but >> 40GB/mo are more > Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > I don't know

RE: Regional differences in P2P

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > I would also like to add that over here Direct Connect is > quite common among the more organized and hard-core file > swappers, while the really-hardcore guys of course are > still using private ftp servers. There is some private FTP server use in the US as well; it

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> John Underhill wrote: > [snip long post] One of the best posts I have seen in a long time; thanks, John. > So the question remains, what do we do about it? That's where it gets tough. Let's begin with what we can't do about it: - Declare that using IE is illegal. This literally takes an act

RE: Crackdowns don't slow Internet piracy

>>> Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: >>> "The popularity of file-sharing is costing the largest >>> Internet service providers $10 million per year each >>> in bandwidth and network maintenance costs, CacheLogic >>> said." >> Michel Py w

RE: Crackdowns don't slow Internet piracy

> Fergie (Paul Ferguson) > "The popularity of file-sharing is costing the largest > Internet service providers $10 million per year each > in bandwidth and network maintenance costs, CacheLogic > said." $10 million a year for the largest ISPs is a drop in the sea; _if_ the figure is accurate (sou

RE: xDSL hardware

> Charles Sprickman wrote: > I found an ADSL card (WIC-1ADSL), but Covad is unable > to tell us if this works with their dslams or not. I doubt it would, as the WIC-1ADSL does only ADSL, not SDSL and all the Covad I have seen so far is SDSL. However, there is a Single Port G.shdsl WAN Interface C

RE: Problems with private justice (was Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious)

I just realized that I incorrectly quoted William Warren instead of Brian Battle in my previous post. Sorry guys, cut/paste casualty. > Sean Donelan wrote: > Could this be a Joe job by someone who doesn't like the > owners of Cool Web Search? The owners of the Cool Web > Search company deny the

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> David Schwartz > One wrong turn probing it can render a machine > unusable until it's reloaded. Ah, I'm not the only one it appears. > In the meantime, let's at least blackhole all > their IPs on our networks. Does any of the regular lists keeps try of this and already blacklists? Michel.

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> William Warren wrote: > I second that. The version I saw required a third > party registry editor and booting up into the > recovery console from an XP cd (safe mode didn't cut > it) just to remove a hidden dll. Which is why I made the executive decision to re-image instead of trying to fix, a

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> Paul Vixie wrote: > or, to put it in terms you can all understand: > "why does that provider's upstream still have bgp peers?" Maybe said upstream does not want to deal with TROs and legal issues? CWS is not illegal as of today. > if you give people the means to hurt you, and they do it, > and

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

>> William Warren wrote: >> coolwebsearch has become more and more sneaky..so >> bad that development of cws shredder has been >> abandoned by its developer The smart computer does not exist (if it did, we would not have a job, would we? ;-) >> Either serious lock down you ie (which with CWS

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> Rubens Kuhl Jr. wrote: > Try booting into safe mode before running software to detect > or remove spyware; some of them fight to survive if they are > running, dunno if it is the case with CoolWebSearch. Tried that too, does not help with CWS. Michel.

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> Michael Painter wrote: > You're right...it can be a sob to remove. CWShredder > has worked well for me. > http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/cwschronicles.html First thing I tried after Ad-aware and Spybot, no go :-( In some cases, the only way out of it is HiJackthis (http://www.spychecker.com

RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious

> Sean Donelan wrote: > Spyware isn't the best term for what is happening, but it > is quickly exceeding (or contributing) to all the other > problems associated with the online (not just Internet) world. Indeed. Lately, I have not been able to clean a very annoying piece of crud named "CoolWebSe

RE: Quick circuit question.

> Drew Weaver wrote: > is duplex a consideration with lines of these types? DS3s are full-duplex AFAIK. There are two coax cables (one in one out) and I don't ever remember seeing anything that looked like a collision detection mechanism. Compare to Ethernet: on 10base-2 or 10base-5, you have ha

RE: ARIN Comment

> Patrick W Gilmore > Now it is clear from ARIN - who is supposedly in charge of > this stuff in "America" - that nothing is wrong with taking > months after your contract expires to number out of PA space, > and over a year to renumber into PI space once it is granted. Indeed, this encourages sl

RE: (UPDATE) Can a Customer take their IP's with them? (Court says yes!)

> Matthew Crocker wrote: > From my understanding the customer has their own IP space > allocated by ARIN and has had that space for over a year. > They have already had adequate time to transition to their > own space. Agree: they could have their ARIN space routed to their equipment and begun th

RE: Non-Portable ip blocks become portable (was - Can a Customer take their IP's with them? )

> William Leibzon wrote: > Not an ARIN example but when KPNQwest went out of business, > the situation was as you desribe and it would have been > difficult to everybody to quickly renumber so their PA > assigned customer ip blocks with assistance of RIPE became > PI blocks (at least this is how I

RE: Fwd: Please stop sending me emails

Eddy, >> DB> --- Jason Silverglate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Edward B. Dreger wrote: > I find this part interesting and ironic. See: "Can > a customer take..." thread. I can clearly see the "ironic" part of it, but would you mind developing what the "interesting" part is? I fail to see it.

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

>>> william(at)elan.net wrote: >>> I've suspicions this maybe Pegasus Web Technologies (AS25653), >> Michel Py wrote: >> Good catch William! > Dan Hollis wrote: > This pegasus? http://www.spews.org/html/S2649.html Yeah. Michel.

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

> william(at)elan.net > I've suspicions this maybe Pegasus Web Technologies (AS25653), Good catch William!

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

VJB> From: Vincent J. Bono VJB> I think one avenue of approach will be to see if VJB> ARIN would grant you another contiguous block to VJB> replace not just what the customer got but the VJB> entire block they have polluted. > Edward B. Dreger > I thought of that, too. However, that would requir

RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?

>> Michel Py wrote: >> In short: drop the monkey on ARIN's back. The issue that >> non-portable blocks are indeed non-portable is ARIN's to >> deal with, and partly why we are giving money to them. > Patrick W Gilmore wrote: > I wonder why ARIN, or even

RE: Can a Customer take their IP's with them? (Court says yes!)

What about asking the police to check the judge for drug abuse? There's more than enough evidence. Or argue that someone with an IQ below zero should not be a judge, but this might fail as most of them are former attorneys; I have more respect for common criminals than I have for most attorneys: t

RE: TCP-ACK vulnerability (was RE: SSH on the router)

> Alexei Roudnev wrote: > Of course, reason can be as simple as _I have MS_ or as > complicated as _here is my girlfriend, and if this system > went down, she will be released earlier_ -:) /most common > reason was, yep, _getting IRC control_). Or "just because I can do it". I call these lame exc

RE: TCP-ACK vulnerability (was RE: SSH on the router)

> Alexei Roudnev wrote: > Even if I (if been a hacker) scan your networks and find > this switch (and you did not moved it out of routable P), > I will have not any idea, what is it about, where this > switch is, and have not any reason to break it... You (being a hacker) need a _reason_ to break

RE: Team Cymru Darknet Project

Oops, sorry for the fat fingers. Did not intend to send to the list. -Original Message- From: Michel Py Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:00 AM To: 'Nicolas FISCHBACH'; NANOG Cc: Rob Thomas Subject: RE: Team Cymru Darknet Project > Nicolas FISCHBACH > If of interest, I

RE: Team Cymru Darknet Project

> Nicolas FISCHBACH > If of interest, I covered this and other tools/setups > during BHEU2004: "Building an Early Warning System in > a Service Provider Network" > PPT: http://www.securite.org/presentations/secip/ > BHEU2004-NF-SP-EWS-v11.ppt Est-ce que tu aurais un audio de cette présentation, p

RE: IT security people sleep well

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OK.. Say you can get it into the code train for 200K. What do > you do with all those routers that have only 100K or 125K of > space left in the flash (if that), and the flash is NOT going > to get any bigger without massive abuse of a soldering iron Being one of thes

RE: IT security people sleep well

> Henning Brauer wrote: > not seeing the problem with cleartext telnet for remote > logins in 2004, wether ACL'd or not, is just ... oh man, > I don't have words for this. I have: I encourage my competitors to do it. Michel.

RE: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'

> Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > I've not had any.. perhaps its a targeted marketing > list, have you bought similar services in the past? :) Do you think there's a money back guarantee if the attacked site stays up? Michel.

RE: Worst case worm damage estimates: Research

> Sean Donelan wrote: > This is where I agree with Paxson and Weaver, there isn't > a deep supply line for replacement PCs. If 50 million PCs > fall over in a single morning, its unlikely the PC repair > people will have enough replacement machines ready instantly. I'm with you, I was trying to p

RE: Worst case worm damage estimates: Research

> Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. > Just one question--who is paying to get the production > work done while all this is going on? I never said it was free, but nothing close to the figures mentioned earlier. Reality check guys: a desktop PC costs $500 these days, spending $800 to repair a used one does

RE: Worst cast worm damage estimates: Research

SD> That's less than $400 per defective motherboard. SD> Your paper estimates it would cost more than double SD> to replace a scrambled BIOS. > Edward B. Dreger > Definitely sounds high, especially considering the > cheap end with socketed a DIPP BIOS: Boot from > "loaner" BIOS chip. Remove loane

RE: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'

> Alexei Roudnev wrote: > I received adv., in russian, saying: > Dear sirs. > We are glad to you to give qualitative service, on > elimination of sites. We can kill any site by our > attack, which have name 'DDos attack'. > The prices at us low, 60 dollars for 6 hours. This could be useful to eva

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Okay guys and gals, for spam there is the FUSSP: http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html How to we call it for attacks? The FUSAP (Final Ultimate Solution to the Attacks Problem)? It seems like we have some winners on the list. Michel.

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>> "Michel Py" wrote: >> Woulda, shoulda. > Richard Cox wrote: > The original quote, from the song title, is "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda" > ^^ > And that sums it up MUCH better ... I stand corrected. Michel.

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Denial of Service Attacks Now Available With AT&T On Jun 2, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Michel Py wrote: >> Jon R. Kibler wrote: >> IMHO, there is absolutely no excuse for not doing ingress and >> egress filtering. In fact, if you are an ISP, I would argue >> that you are

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> Jon R. Kibler wrote: > IMHO, there is absolutely no excuse for not doing ingress and > egress filtering. In fact, if you are an ISP, I would argue > that you are negligent in your fiduciary responsibilities to > your customers and shareholders if you are not filtering > source IP addresses. Hey

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