. Clark *that* slack,
even if you must (righteously, I might add) blast him on other issues.
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thing, but older customers probably wish it hadn't happened.)
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one small note, in passing:
In other words..intermittent intergap delay?
when PAIX sells what it calls Fractional Gig E, it's just Gig E with
rate limiting. nothing special at the link level.
for a trillion packets per second per root server, there is no way to get
the whole Internet, which is full of Other People's Networks, provisioned at
that level. Wide area anycast, dangerous though it can be, works around that.
See www.as112.net for an example of how this might work. More later.
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What is the connection between unregulated peering and the financial
difficulties we have seen?
The problems have been caused by:
- Bad business models
- Greed
- Corporate officers who have shirked their fudiciary responsibilities to
the stockholders
If you can somehow tie
than
is being done now. when i added my comments to the parent thread, i only
meant to indicate my surprise that such isn't being tried -- NOT any
disappointment.
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representative of mfn's or paix's actual plans/desires.
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: when this situation has existed in other industries, gov't intervention
: has always resulted. even when the scope is international. i've not
: been able to puzzle out the reason why the world's gov'ts have not
: stepped in with some basic interconnection requirements for IP carriers.
within a quarter mile of that intersection.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniska Tomas) writes:
a brief summary of responses up to now:
in response to my earlier reply on this topic, i was also pointed at
http://www.nbase-xyplex.com/products.html
which indeed shows how to do 65Km regen points. pretty cool other stuff too.
/Model1280GbX_092101.pdf
...which Pac*Bell SBC is using for its new GigaMan product.
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I am looking for a ballpark count concerning amount of current internet
nodes. ( obviously not exact ) With data relevant to this year. Feel free
to contact off-list.
http://www.isc.org/ds/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Bush) writes:
well, za and some of its principal subdomains are the highest error
rate zones i secondary or use. but i can imagine a different part
of the government doing an even funkier job. the contest is likely
keen.
ISC has had very little in the way of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Golding) writes:
PAIX shares MFN/Abovenet's peering agreements? That's quite a trick. ...
No. PAIX has no peering agreements of any kind.
This is not to slam PAIX or Paul Vixie - I'm a big PAIX fan, and Paul has
done a superb job. However, MFN adds no value
and that multilaterals are kind of swampy. but
if there's interest, we'll find the old paperwork and shuffle it anew.
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President, PAIX.Net Inc. (NASD:MFNXE)
on.
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President, PAIX.Net Inc. (NASD:MFNX)
There are some relatively small regionals like NYIIX where you won't find
many large carriers, but they still have their own little nitch markets.
There's been rumors of NYIIX and PAIX-NY linking up like SIX and
PAIX-seattle.
It's not a rumour. PAIX is interconnecting with NYIIX as
It's not a rumour. PAIX is interconnecting with NYIIX as soon as the
fiber engineering people say that the photons will travel end to end.
Will PAIX be around as an entity capable of providing any services in 3
month?
PAIX is modestly profitable and has been for years. We are quite
. I'm no fiber expert,
but the parent company (MFN) does employ such experts, so let's remain calm.
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President, PAIX.Net Inc. (NASD:MFNXE)
a nonstrategic asset and that they intended to sell us.
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know a lot more
about fiber in general AND this plant in particular than I do.
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There will be a day when folks will need to pay to transit email
(Paul Vixie, 1998).
Still working on that better mouse trap?
well, other than that i wish i could charge _you_ for the spam i get
that's due to the several MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s on your www.dotcomeon.com
site, no. it's
trollishly
What do you guess for the amortized cost/spam?
/trollishly
a cost that you are forced to pay in order to enrich somebody else is
theft, no matter how microscopic the payment might be. we all know what
(they) are, now we're just arguing about the price.
I do find it amusing
as a coauthor of rfc2136, my curiousity is always
piqued when spammers use the technology. can i get
private forwards of other similar messages? (see
below.)
(and yes, i'll also be in touch with level3, who
serves 166.90.15.236, from whence this message came.)
(time was, anyone who could use
... I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure
I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others
... I have a delete key ...
in the time between when you sent the above, and when i read it, the
following messages were added to my mailbox:
1+
... not only does it cost usually very little to receive these messages ...
even if i granted to a third party the right to determine the value of my
time, which i don't, the fact is that an hour or more of my time per day is
too high a price to pay to receive these messages, by _any_
Anyone have a good NOC contact for DEC, AS33? I checked Jared's NOC page
and I don't see them listed.
when you find it, send it to me :)
you need number 6.
in order, as33 was maintained by:
1. brian reid
2. richard johnsson
3. me
4. stephen stuart
5. drew kramer
number six is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric A. Hall) writes:
Clayton Fiske wrote:
[bind question]
[bind answer]
this is nanog, you probably want bind-users[-request]@isc.org.
now as to who's responsible, first off you have to understand that we block
rfc1918-sourced packets at our AS boundary. (otherwise these numbers would
be Much Higher
are you sure? i suspect they are windows 2000 systems behind NATs. so
the dynamic update is for the 1918 address, but
according to http://root-servers.org/, dns transactions concerning rfc1918
address space are now being served by an anycast device near you ...
And right you are. However, pray tell, why doesn't bind feature a simple way
to not log these spurious updates? As far as I can tell lots of
(received privately, answering publically)
any AS owner who wants to localize these updates can do so by simply
anycasting the 192.175.48/24 netblock and serving dns on .1,=20
.6, and .42.
Will it be a _bad_ thing if I just null-route those addresses in a
... So - that is the larger picture, but was not my question to NANOG.
We wish to be able to provide this peering, but we find that UUnets
cross-connect policy interferes with our aims - as it requires potential
peers in the data center to separately purchase connectivity to us (in
the
While acknowledging that a data center may make any rules it likes, I
am asking nanog how common this practice is.
data center is too amorphous a term to be used here. private data centers
owned by banks or insurance companies aren't relevant at all. telco motels
aren't really data
there's no answer to the question, as posed. can you be more specific?
I think the poster was inquiring as to common practice.
Yes, but there isn't going to be a common practice for data centers as
a whole. There's going to be a common practice for telco/fiber hotels,
and a common
H. You're right. I lost sight of the original thread...
GigE inter-switch trunking at PAIX. In that case, congestion
_should_ be low, and there shouldn't be much queue depth.
indeed, this is the case. we keep a lot of headroom on those trunks.
But this _does_ bank on current real
packet reordering at MAE East was extremely common a few years ago. Does
anyone have information whether this is still happening?
more to the point, does anybody still care about packet reordering at
exchange points? we (paix) go through significant effort to prevent it,
and interswitch
The MAE in Phoenix was originally constructed by Dave Siegel
and it ran from 1996 through 1998/9.
and if anybody thinks phoenix still/again needs an exchange point,
i'd thank you very much for contacting me about it off-list.
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you know who to yell at.
Until MFN sells them in coming months in their attempts to pay off
billions of dollars of debt...
No change is expected in who you yell at if PAIX isn't doing a good job.
(That is, me.)
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