riven by service
quality, and the conclusion that well-staffed abuse desks promote
subscriber growth is, I think, faulty.
Joe
;s a lot of skill in dealing with end-users that is rarely
reflected in the org chart or pay scale.
Joe
g a serious disservice to those folks in specific, and
working around such suit-induced damage in general, by dismissing
any steps involving automation.
Cheers,
Joe
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a lot of inertia in the traditional spam
filtering advice, and a certain amount of resistance to considering
that the status quo does not represent e-mail nirvana.
Think of it as making that "unsubscribe" at the bottom of any marketing
e-mail actually work, without argument, without risk.
...
spammed, and have ONLY sent transactional
e-mail and customer support correspondence, and the individually composed
non-HTML REPLIES to customer inquiries are eaten by Hotmail, or tossed in
the spam folder. Nice. (I know, we all have our stories)
... JG
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> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
> > I believe this is functionally equivalent to the "block 25 and consider
> > SMTP dead" FUSSP.
> >
> > It's worth noting that each "newer" system is being systematically attacked
> > as wel
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
> > browsers such as Firefox and Thunderbird. But it is a LARGE paradigm
> > shift, and it doesn't even solve every problem with the e-mail system.
> >
> > I am unconvinced that there aren't smaller potential p
very problem with the e-mail system.
I am unconvinced that there aren't smaller potential paradigm shifts that
could be made. However...
It is exceedingly clear to me that service providers prefer to treat the
spam problem in a statistical manner. It offers fairly good results (if
you consid
> On April 13, 2008 at 14:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) wrote:
> > I would have thought it was obvious, but to see this sort of enlightened
> > ignorance(*) suggests that it isn't: The current methods of spam filtering
> > require a certain level of opaqueness.
r [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (very commonly used) or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who cares? But
> let's pick ONE, stuff it in an RFC or BCP and try to get each other to
> conform to it.
Having defined methods for contacting people OOB would be nice. IFF (and
o
ngs that we have to contemplate and evaluate if we're really interested
in making fundamental changes that reduce or eliminate abuse.
(*) fsvo "we" that doesn't include AS14536.
(*2) I've omitted a detailed description of the strategy in use because
it's not neces
at hand, you may already have outsourced the
coordination of your boycott to Yahoo!, too! They're already not
accepting your mail. There's no need to stop sending it! :-)
Joe
were reported to Yahoo
as spam, despite the fact that it's certain some of them were spam.
I wouldn't trust the error message completely. It seems likely that a jump
in volume may trigger this too, especially of an unfiltered stream.
... JG
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that hasn't been valid in years, and whose parent domain was unresolvable
in DNS for at least a year is spam. However, it's as unbiased as I can
reasonably imagine being.
... JG
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"We call it the 'one b
provide prdouct for detecting
number of computers behind NAT/PAT box.
Is there any paper or document on how such product
work? where could I fint them ?
Joe
__
Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through
street... (Visiting Tokyo last month was quite a shock to
> my system; I had to unlearn all sorts of things.)
Looking and acting like you belong is good advice in most circumstances.
Act like the other monkeys. If you don't give someone reason to question
you, they probably won'
undant power
supply, etc. If you're fine with a non-ae/aq switch, these are worth
considering.
16 SFP plus 8 shared SFP/copper make it a fairly flexible device.
You did say cost effective, right? :-)
... JG
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"
nteresting
problems.
Wouldn't some light mineral oil be a better option than water?
Joe
Glen Kent wrote:
Do ISPs (PTA, AboveNet, etc) that "unintentionally" hijack someone
else IP address space, ever get penalized in *any* form?
The net only functions as a single entity because sp's intentionally
DONT hijack space and the mutual trust in other sp's rational behavior.
Si
fine. For the
record, FreeBSD also runs on more capable hardware.
Joe
On 14-Mar-2008, at 12:42, Joe Shen wrote:
Is there any way to solve problem above?
The approach described in <http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0505/abley.cluster.html
> would probably work, so long as the routers choosing between the
ECMP routes are able to make route selections per flo
above?
we use HP-UX with MC-Service Guard installed.
thanks in advance.
Joe
__
Tired of visiting multiple sites for showtimes?
Yahoo! Movies is all you need
http://sg.movies.yahoo.com
the time to figure out what "does IPv6" means, exactly
(DHCPv6? IPv6 DNS resolver?) but I seem to think it will provide route
advertisements and route out either using 6to4 or a manually-
configured tunnel.
Joe
tools like smokeping to monitoring e2e TCP
connecting speed?
Joe
--- "Darden, Patrick S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Best way to do it is right after the SYN just count
> "one one thousand, two one thousand" until you get
> the ACK. This
hi,
is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection
speed?
e.g. we want to measue the delay between the TCP SYN
and receiving SYN ACK packet.
Joe
__
Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through
ng used as a
separate, unprotected circuit.
(But quite possibly I'm missing your point.)
Joe
;s more real-time traffic on the network today than there was
then, however.
I have never worked for UU/MFS, lest anybody draw that conclusion.
Joe
but, in
practice, waste of time" bucket years ago.
Joe
useful.
Joe
sically a matter of dredging up someone with a /25
allocated to them personally, in the EU service area. I think I know
some people like that.
I know for a fact that I know people with swamp C's here in the US. That
would seem to set the bar higher than a mere 7 bits.
... JG
--
Joe Grec
ision.
That doesn't mean it's completely unreasonable to make a ballpark guess.
Remember the wisdom of Pnews:
"This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire
civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of
dollars to send everywher
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Given that the 3750 is not acceptable, then what exactly would you propose
> > for a 48 port multigigabit router, capable of wirespeed, that does /not/
> > hold a 300K+ prefix table? All we need is a model number and a price
y-capable
router, feel free to change that too. I don't really care, I just want to
see the cost difference between DFZ-capable and non-DFZ-capable on stuff
that have similar features in other ways.
... JG
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"We
network doesn't mean that they
aren't perfectly appropriate for a large proportion of deployed
routers which take a full table.
Joe
ply going to act as a magnet to the high bandwidth
users.
Interesting.
... JG
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct M
to contemplate commercial realities.
So, what can reasonably be done? Given what I've seen over the years,
I keep coming back to the idea that PI space allocations are not all
that far out of control, but the PA deaggregation situation is fairly
rough. There would also seem to be some things
To put it another way, they do not give you a better price per minute if
you go and deposit $2400 in your prepaid account. You can use your volume
discount argument once you come up with a compelling explanation for that.
;-)
... JG
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that's the top-of-the-line legacy (non-U-verse) AT&T
DSL offering; there are less expensive ones. Getting back to what Roderick
Beck said, AT&T is *effectively* offering mixed pricing schemes, simply by
offering various DSL speeds.
... JG
--
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get me a fair supply of stories best
> > told over a pitcher of Guinness down at the Undergroud..
>
> I prefer nice, hoppy ales to Guiness, but either works for stories..
Heh.
> > *Choosing* to hardcode rather than use DNS is one thing. *Having* to
> > hardcode because th
so?
Typing "IPv6" into the search box at <http://resellerhelp.tucows.com/faq1.php
> returns:
Q: Is IPV6 supported?
A: No. IPV6 is currently not supported.
It's not entirely clear what that means (glue? transport?), but it
doesn't sound tremendously promising.
Joe
ou find a definitive answer.
Joe
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:30 CST, Joe Greco said:
> > make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's,
> > recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too
> > stupid to do DNS, etc.
>
> I'll admi
technical
content but a lot of alcohol and poker.
Joe
that gets wired in by IP address, particularly on remote computers, would
make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's,
recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too
stupid to do DNS, etc.
... JG
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) writes:
> > ...
> > So, anyways, would it be entertaining to discuss the relative merits of
> > various DNS implementations that attempt to provide geographic answers
> > to requests, versus doing it at a higher level? (I can hear ever
://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Other_Operations_Groups
...and aggregated calendars:
- http://www.icann.org/general/calendar/
- http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/events/
Cheers,
Joe
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it at a higher level? (I can hear everyone
groaning now, and some purist somewhere probably having fits)
... JG
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't co
On 15-Jan-2008, at 12:50, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance.
Yeah, it's topology modulated by economics :-)
Joe
> Joe Greco wrote:
> > I have no idea what the networking equivalent of thirty-seven half-eaten
> > bags of Cheetos is, can't even begin to imagine what the virtual equivalent
> > of my couch is, etc. Your metaphor doesn't really make any sense to me,
> >
geo-DNS service. The ones
I've done in the past simply built in knowledge of the networks in question,
and where such information wasn't available, took "best guess" and then may
have done a little research after the fact for future queries. This isn't
as comprehensive
> Joe Greco wrote:
> > Time to stop selling the "always on" connections, then, I guess, because
> > it is "always on" - not P2P - which is the fat man never leaving. P2P
> > is merely the fat man eating a lot while he's there.
>
> As long a
wever, you can't necessarily always attribute the presence of
covered prefixes to incompetence.
Joe
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:43:12 -0500
> "William Herrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 2008 5:25 PM, Joe Greco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > So users who rarely use their connection are more profitable to the ISP.
> > >
>
What exactly does this imply, though, from a networking point of view?
... JG
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marke
ly began offering a 20M symmetrical FiOS
product. There must be some people who feel differently.
So, do the "modulations" of your "access technologies" dictate what your
users are going to want to do with their Internet in the future, or is it
possible that you'll have to
ied and whined about how they were being undercut
by competitive LD carriers. They ... adapted. Can you? Will you?
And yes, I realize that this borders on unfair-to-the-(W)ISP, but if
you are incapable of considering and contemplating these sorts of
questions, then that's a bad thing.
..
he year (don't think TiVo? Maybe Apple, then... who
knows?) Downloads "interesting" content for local storage. Everyone's
buzzing about it. The lucky 10% buy it.
Now the question that will come back to you is, why can't your network
deliver what's been promised?
The
> Joe Greco wrote,
> > There are lots of things that could heavily stress your upload channel.
> > Things I've seen would include:
> >
> > 1) Sending a bunch of full-size pictures to all your friends and family,
> >which might not seem too bad
e that you'll provide to your customers. If you've made
promises, then you're simply in the unenviable position of needing to
make good on those. Operating an IP network with a basic SLA like this
can be a bit of a challenge. You have to be prepared to actually make
good on it
like NDT (e.g., see http://miranda.ctd.anl.gov:7123/ ) are incredibly
seditious resources. :-)
Regards,
Joe St Sauver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Disclaimer: all opinions strictly my own.
de to accelerate vendors' deployment of
docsis3.0. Folks with the apropriate war chests can (and have)
roll out PON and be somewhat generous... of course, the dedicated
and mandatory ONT & CPE looks a lot like voice pre-carterfone...
Joe, not promoting/supporting any position, just trying to provide
facts about running last-mile networks.
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rket will address by itself?
I think so. At some point there's sufficient capacity everywhere, edge
and core, that (a) there's no pressing operational need to shape
traffic, and (b) the shaping devices available for the high capacity
circuits are prohibitively expensive. That's
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Joe Provo wrote:
>
> >Yes. Efficient address utilization is a Good Thing.
> >
> >>I realize that technically they are valid addresses, but does anyone
> >>assign a node or serv
m should have no issues.
Cheers,
Joe
--
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s idea that one and only one node
> may use a whole /64.
Certainly, if the node is the only one on the subnet.
> So in the case of Joe, the residential DSL subscriber
> who has 50,000 PCs, TiVo's, microwaves, and nanobots that all need unique
> routable IP addresses, what is
Tony Li wrote:
On Dec 26, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
It's unlikely that it will matter. In practice, ICMP router discovery
died a long time ago, thanks to neglect. Host vendors didn't adopt it,
and it languished. The problem eventually got solved with HSRP and its
clo
rts of this can we tackle through RIR policy? RFC requirements?
Best practice? Customer education? ( :-) ) Other ideas?
... JG
--
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] t
> both
> > cases, while the device someone who has relied on PD is going to break
> > when it isn't available.
> >
> Assuming that PD is available is naive. However, assuming it is not is
> equally naive.
No, it's not equally naive. The bridging scenario is
ok second system syndrome. We could have all been on it
already without the dozens of super-freighters attached to the 128bit
tugboat.
Joe
> Joe Greco wrote:
> [..]
> > Okay, here, let me make it reaaally simple.
>
> Yes, indeed lets make it reaaally simple for you:
>
> > If your ISP has been delegated a /48 (admittedly unlikely, but possible=
> )
> > for $1,250/year, a
ones. :-/
... JG
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million
uch money does the ISP really want to throw at extra address
space? (Do you want me to discuss naivety now?)
And just /how/ is this in any way similar to Ethernet MAC addresses,
again? Maybe I'm just too slow and can't see how "fixed cost" ==
"variable cost." I won
posing that RIR's cease the practice of charging different
amounts for different allocation sizes, please feel free to shepherd that
through the approvals process, and then I will certainly agree that there
is no longer a meaningful cost differential for the purposes of this
discussion.
#x27;s to at least consider the issues, and it will most
likely force users to buy into technologies that allow them to do what they
want. And inside a /64, you have sufficient space that there's probably
nothing you can't do. :-)
... JG
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Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwauk
educe the confusion as to
how to proceed.
> How exactly are end-users expected to manage this? Having a subnet for
> the kitchen appliances and a subnet for the home theater, both of which
> can talk to the subnet for the home computer(s), but not to each other,
> will be far beyond the ab
yone who thinks otherwise is welcome to explain to
me what's going to happen in the case where there are no P's to D.
I will leave the difference between corporate and residential as an exercise
to the reader; suffice it to say that the answers are rather obvious in the
same manner.
...
you will receive it or be told no.
So, as I said...
> Most likely, that is how most such v6 gateways will function.
/Possibly/. It would be much more likely to be that way if everyone
was issued large CIDR blocks, every router was willing to delegate a
prefix, and there was no call
for any home user that wants more than one subnet
> /48 for any home user that can show need.
I'd say skip the /64 and /48. Don't do the /64, as future-proofing. A
/48 is just something I cannot see need for, given the number of addresses
available as a /56, unless the "home user"
I can't find the
rationale from the end-user's side to allocate a /48. I can maybe see
it if you want to justify it from the provider's side, the cost of dealing
with multiple prefix sizes.
... JG
--
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"
think first you have to decide what a typical AS looks like. The
question, as it stands, is too general for any answer to be
(in)defensible.
Joe
rk. Sadly, it is
frequently assumed that if you cannot configure your system to do X,
then it's all right to not do X, regardless of what the RFC's say.
The need to be able to accept unfiltered recipients has certain
implications for mail operations, such as that it could be &qu
x27;s all right to have this problem, but I would
certainly encourage you to try sending along a brief note without any
BL-listed URL's, to see if you can get a response that way.
... JG
--
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"We call it the 'one
hich are strictly error/status reporting -- e.g. IMP
'unreachable',
'ttl exceeded', 'redirect', etc. -- should *NOT* be filtered at
network
boundaries _solely_ because of an RFC1918 source address.
I respectfully disagree.
Joe
g complaints
about being unable to reach a destination, it's got to be configured
correctly ... right?
Consider it life on the Internet. Do their job for them.
Around here, we've been doing BCP38 since before there was a BCP38.
... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI
e carrier networks (as well as
smaller, non-carrier networks!) do that seem on the face of it to defy
explanation, of which this is just one example :-)
Joe
45.
With sufficient speed, you can make up for many sins, including a
relatively naive implementation. With that in mind, I'd guess that you
are more likely to be successful than not. The downside is that if it
doesn't work out, you can recycle that PC into a more traditional role.
.
be quite ideal for
this, but wouldn't it be much less of a technical challenge to develop a
PAC or PAC-like framework to do this in an idealized fashion, and then
actually do so?
... JG
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"We call it the
frequently), Yahoo!
(infrequently), and other places where the mail stream consists of
a low volume (<10/day) of transactional and support e-mail directly
arising from user-purchased services, on an IP address that had
never previously sent e-mail - ever.
... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Ser
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> > The part of this discussion that really infuriates me (and Joe
> > Greco has hit most of the salient points) is the deceptiveness
> > in how ISPs "underwrite" the service their customers subscribe to.
> >
&
types of, all} traffic,
3) Change user behaviours, or
4) Add some more capacity
Come to mind as being the major available options. ALL of these can be
effective. EACH of them has specific downsides.
... JG
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"We c
Hex Star wrote:
On 10/23/07, Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-10-23-verizon-fios-plan_N.htm
20 Mbps down, 20 Mbps up, fully symmetrical for $65.
That's pretty sweet, now all they have to do is start laying the fiber
over here...
And stop
imply cannot do it, since the available capacity on your last
mile simply isn't sufficient for the numbers you're selling, even if you
are able to buy cheaper upstream bandwidth for it.
Perhaps that's just an argument to fix the last mile.
... JG
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providers, etc.? The implications of the so-called net neutrality
issues are just one example of future issues.
... JG
--
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won&#
ile providers will be the entities to grow with
satisfied customers?
Cheers,
Joe
--
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credits. Not just
bragging rights, but users need to take part in the transactions
to actually use the service. A provider-hosted solution which
managed to transparently handle this across multiple clients and
trackers would likely be popular with the end users.
Cheers,
Joe
--
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On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 10:45:49PM -0400, Geo. wrote:
[snip]
> Second, the more people on your network running fileshare network software
> and sharing, the less backbone bandwidth your users are going to use when
> downloading from a fileshare network because those on your network are
> going
I have no doubt that you'll be able to
burst higher, but I'm a bit skeptical about continuous use.
Noticed about two months ago that AT&T started putting kiosks for U-verse
at local malls and movie theatres. Coincidence?
... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwau
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:55:08PM +1300, Simon Lyall wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
> > Its not just the greedy commercial ISPs, its also universities,
> > non-profits, government, co-op, etc networks. It doesn't seem to matter
> > if the network has 100Mbps user connections o
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:08:47AM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote:
[snip]
> So which ISPs have contributed towards more intelligent p2p content
> routing and distribution; stuff which'd play better with their networks?
> Or are you all busy being purely reactive?
A quick google search found the one
> Joe Greco wrote:
> > Well, because when you promise someone an Internet connection, they usually
> > expect it to work. Is it reasonable for Comcast to unilaterally decide that
> > my P2P filesharing of my family photos and video clips is bad?
> >
>
> Comc
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