Thought this is on topic for the group with all the new
virii and new problems out there.
Would anyone here consider sending this out to all customers?
Later,
Jim
Last week at the Comdex show in Las Vegas, Computer Associates
International, Inc. (known to the world as CA) teamed up with
Micro
McBurnett, Jim writes on 11/24/2003 9:29 AM:
Thought this is on topic for the group with all the new
virii and new problems out there.
Would anyone here consider sending this out to all customers?
Most if not all computers that are sold (branded ones at least) do come
with an antivirus + "perso
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Most if not all computers that are sold (branded ones at least) do come
> with an antivirus + "personal firewall" (aka snake oil firewall, as
> vernon schryver keeps saying on news.admin.net-abuse.email and
> elsewhere) package, with 6 months to
** Reply to message from Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 24 Nov
2003 13:29:57 -0500 (EST)
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> > Most if not all computers that are sold (branded ones at least) do come
> > with an antivirus + "personal firewall" (aka snake oil firewall,
Sean Donelan writes on 11/24/2003 1:29 PM:
If most if not all computers that are sold include antivirus + personal
firewalls, who is selling all the computers being infected with worms,
virus, malware?
Er... two or three obvious reasons - there might be more.
# Users not updating their virus / f
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Er... two or three obvious reasons - there might be more.
>
> # Users not updating their virus / firewall definitions, not paying for
> new definitions after their year of free definitions is done.
I've been looking at some statistics on infect
Jeff Shultz writes on 11/24/2003 1:46 PM:
Firewalls at least tend to be a bit more hands off... and I'd like to
hear more about the "snake oil" parts. Doesn't the 1/2wall that XP
ships with default to "disabled?"
Interesting reading here -
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=vernon+schryver+snake+
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Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
Jeff Shultz writes on 11/24/2003 1:46 PM:
> Firewalls at least tend to be a bit more hands off... and I'd like to
> hear more about the "snake oil" parts. Doesn't the 1/2wall that XP
> ships with defaul
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:46:26 -0800
"Jeff Shultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Personally I wish that there was something that we could install
| on customer machines that would absolutely and totally block the
| installation of net.net stuff, to the point of deleting any
| installation files that
I tend to encourage people to use PestPatrol for the malware on windoze
boxes.
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Jeff Shultz writes on 11/24/2003 1:46 PM:
Firewalls at least tend to be a bit more hands off... and I'd like to
hear more about the "snake oil" parts. Doesn't the 1/2wall that XP
ships
Sean Donelan wrote:
If most if not all computers that are sold include antivirus + personal
firewalls, who is selling all the computers being infected with worms,
virus, malware?
Just got a new off the shelf PC, manufactured on 13th Nov 2003. Comes with
NAV2003 and virus definitions from late 2
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:24:58 +0200, Petri Helenius said:
> that windowsupdate provided with 10+ critical and 10+ other updates (the OS
> had Service Pack 1 installed)
>
> The box should have been labeled "don´t connect this device to the
> public internet".
Question: What speed access is needed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: What speed access is needed to guarantee "mean time to download
patches" is significantly less than "mean time to probed by packet-to-0wn"
(significantly == 20x lower still gives a 5% chance of getting 0wned while
patching)?
Since windows updates are downloade
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 11/24/2003 3:43 PM:
Question: What speed access is needed to guarantee "mean time to download
patches" is significantly less than "mean time to probed by packet-to-0wn"
(significantly == 20x lower still gives a 5% chance of getting 0wned while
patching)?
That'd have to
** Reply to message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 24 Nov 2003
15:43:34 -0500
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:24:58 +0200, Petri Helenius said:
>
> > that windowsupdate provided with 10+ critical and 10+ other updates (the OS
> > had Service Pack 1 installed)
> >
> > The box should have been labeled "do
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Valdis.Kletni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>Question: What speed access is needed to guarantee "mean time to download
>patches" is significantly less than "mean time to probed by packet-to-0wn"
>(significantly == 20x lower still gives a 5% chance of getting 0wned
>w
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 11/24/2003 3:43 PM:
Question: What speed access is needed to guarantee "mean time to download
patches" is significantly less than "mean time to probed by
packet-to-0wn"
(significantly == 20x lower still gives a 5% chance of getting 0wned
Gerardo Gregory writes on 11/24/2003 4:20 PM:
NAT is not a security feature, neither does it provide any real
security, just one to one translations. PAT fall into the same
It is not a cure all and I never said it was one. It cuts the risk down
a little, is all.
Most broadband providers sti
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:20:59 CST, Gerardo Gregory said:
> I know Microsoft has a product that allows you to donwload patches to a
> centralized server (within your infrastructure) and let's you patch your
> internal systems from it. Heard our MS admins talking about it a while
> back
Two
Funny you mentioned ol' Joe...
An article on the paper today stated that only 33% of U.S. citizens are
"Tech Savvy". Meaning allot of Joe's out there are clueless
I bet ol' Joe's AV signatures where last updated in 98 or 99...
:)
G.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:20:59
>
> NAT is not a security feature, neither does it provide any real
> security, just one to one translations. PAT fall into the same
> category.
While it may not be a cure-all, a NAT solution offered by most entry-level
routers is an effective, if incomplete security tool.
While it does not pre
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Gerardo Gregory wrote:
> > # Machine behind NAT while it is being updated
>
> NAT is not a security feature, neither does it provide any real
> security, just one to one translations. PAT fall into the same
> category. Just cause your broadband router (ahem, switch) vend
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:50:48 GMT, "Stephen J. Wilcox" said:
> Nor does it stop the user inviting an exploit to run on their PC, eg web
> download, email attachment.. based on seeing plenty of virused/exploited
> machines at companies I've worked at which all had AV, FW, NAT etc they still
> had
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Cox) [Mon 24 Nov 2003, 20:30 CET]:
>
> The latest version of Zone Alarm Pro does stop all applications from
> accessing the net outbound unless specifically authorised, and it does
> check the executable by checksum to make sure it hasn't been changed.
Right up to th
PM
Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
> You know that the best AV program in the world isn't going to amount to
> a hill of beans if the user doesn't 1. download updates, 2. run the
> occasional scan [1], and 3. pay for more updates past the 1 year mark
> (for t
The latest Zone Alarm Pro also invites subscribed users to participate in creating a
more robust solution
-HenryNiels Bakker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Cox) [Mon 24 Nov 2003, 20:30 CET]:> > The latest version of Zone Alarm Pro does stop all applications from> acc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The average user will say "OOH! SHINY!! [clicky-click]" when offered content
> promising either dancing hampsters or pop stars wearing less clothing than
> appropriate. Any security model that doesn't allow for this is doomed to
> failure.
>
Yep. I've already told t
Brian Bruns wrote:
>
> One thing that many people don't realize (from my personal experience) is
> that contrary to popular belief, Win98SE is a good all around desktop OS to
> use. It can run most things like productivity apps and games, and with
> 128-256MB of RAM, its quite fast even on an ol
> The average user will say "OOH! SHINY!! [clicky-click]" when offered content
> promising either dancing hampsters or pop stars wearing less clothing than
> appropriate. Any security model that doesn't allow for this is doomed to
> failure.
Introducing Telecomplete Security service, with antivir
On 24.11 18:20, William Allen Simpson wrote:
>
> Brian Bruns wrote:
> >
> > One thing that many people don't realize (from my personal experience) is
> > that contrary to popular belief, Win98SE is a good all around desktop OS to
> > use. It can run most things like productivity apps and games,
Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
> I recommend that at home to all local primary schools. They often do
> not have the latest hardware but some of them even run it on the
> latest hardware now. This and frequent reloads of standard clean
> disk images tends to keep things clean and operational. The ima
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg
> Sent: November 25, 2003 3:42 AM
> To: William Allen Simpson
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
>
>
>
&
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From: "Vivien M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Daniel Karrenberg'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
> Have either
"Vivien M." wrote:
>
> > if haveto(M$)
> > use(W98SE);
>
> Have either of you actually followed this advice?
>
Yes.
> (30%ish free). That machine got totally unstable needing a reboot after
> about 3 days. On the same hardware (with additional RAM), Win2K could easily
> run 3-4 weeks an
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Daniel Karrenberg'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
>
>
>
> > Have either of you actually follow
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Brian Bruns
> Sent: November 25, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: Vivien M.; 'Daniel Karrenberg'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
>
>
On 24 Nov, 2003, at 21:20, Gerardo Gregory wrote:
[NAT and PAT] is not a security feature, neither does it provide any
real security, just ... translations.
"You can't curse it if you don't know its name" -- Len Bosack on this
issue, Reykjavik, March 2003.
Just cause your broadband router (ah
Having sat up until the wee hours of the AM last night cleaning up virus
traffic on one of my private nets (an inhouse private net at that) i was
giving this some thought. It seems that as with all things, knowledge is
power. While all of the machines on the floor where the net op's team
lives wh
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Dobrynski
> Sent: November 25, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
>
> like everyone else, I don't have the a
, 2003 12:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
Having sat up until the wee hours of the AM last night cleaning up virus
traffic on one of my private nets (an inhouse private net at that) i was
giving this some thought. It seems that as with all things
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:21:36 EST, Wojtek Zlobicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I would hate to blame the users here. In most organizations it is the
> role of the IT Dept to manage the workstations and not end users.
Remember that Joe Sixpack's IT Dept may not be available past 9:30PM
because it'
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 02:31:42PM -0800, Henry Linneweh wrote:
> The latest Zone Alarm Pro also invites subscribed users to participate in creating a
> more robust solution
The latest Zone Alarm also creates a nice ddos to your ISP's dns servers
if lockup.zonelabs.com can't be resolved (as
Dave Howe wrote:
perhaps a migration to linux is in order? after all, its free(ish),
doesn't care too much about marketing deadlines, and if you start them
young enough, KDE or Gnome is certainly is no harder to learn than
windows.
Why stop at an intermediate step but migrate to free OS while
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:25:36 -0500 Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gerardo Gregory writes on 11/24/2003 4:20 PM:
> > NAT is not a security feature, neither does it provide any real
> > security, just one to one translations. PAT fall into the same
> It is not a cure all
onday, November 24, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Anit-Virus help for all of us??
>
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:25:36 -0500 Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gerardo Gregory writes on 11/24/2003 4:20 PM:
>
> > > NAT is not a security feature, ne
d to decide
how these things go...
-BM
PS http://us.mcafee.com/root/catalog.asp?catid=free
...neener-neener... :)
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McBurnett, Jim
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