Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-11 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard) wrote: Ethernet to the primary upstream. I think that the lesson is _always_ use a router powerful enough to handle all ingress traffic at wire rate. Without access to the router, there is nothing you can do. So we are going to switch out the router. If you are

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Kim Onnel
1) Get 'Cisco guard' , too expensive ? 2) Get Arbor, Stealthflow, Esphion, too expensive ? 3) Use flow-tools, ntop, Silktools and open-source Netflow collectors analyzers 4) Apply Ingress/Egress Filtering : RFC 2827 , uRPF, Team cymru IOS template 5) Monitor CPU/Netflow table size using SNMP 6)

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Quite decent suggestions On 5/10/05, Kim Onnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Use flow-tools, ntop, Silktools and open-source Netflow collectors analyzers 4) Apply Ingress/Egress Filtering : RFC 2827 , uRPF, Team cymru IOS template 5) Monitor CPU/Netflow table size using SNMP 6) Request a

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Scott Weeks
On Tue, 10 May 2005, Kim Onnel wrote: : 1) Get 'Cisco guard' , too expensive ? : 2) Get Arbor, Stealthflow, Esphion, too expensive ? : 3) Use flow-tools, ntop, Silktools and open-source Netflow collectors : analyzers : 4) Apply Ingress/Egress Filtering : RFC 2827 , uRPF, Team cymru IOS

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kim Onnel Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:19 AM To: Scott Weeks Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: DOS attack tracing 1) Get 'Cisco guard' , too expensive ? 2) Get Arbor, Stealthflow, Esphion, too

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 5/10/05, Hannigan, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DDOS' is rather infrequent to zero for most enterprises. That DDOS golden banana is rather yummy with sprinkles on top. Don't get me wrong, the DDOS problem is real, but not for everyone, and not as frequently as it's being hyped up to be.

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Gadi Evron
Hannigan, Martin wrote: Well, this is no longer about tracing DDoS I suppose.. Good advice when DDOS' are constant. If this was a first and possibly last for awhile, it may make sense to rely on the software tools and a good 'SOP' with the provider instead. It really depends on the scope of the

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:06 AM To: Hannigan, Martin Cc: Kim Onnel; Scott Weeks; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: DOS attack tracing On 5/10/05, Hannigan, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DDOS' is rather

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Chris Ranch
On Monday, May 09, 2005 5:49 PM, Richard wrote: On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:35:06PM -1000, Richard wrote: We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't handle the

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Chris Ranch
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:06 AM, Suresh wrote: On 5/10/05, Hannigan, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DDOS' is rather infrequent to zero for most enterprises. That DDOS golden banana is rather yummy with sprinkles on top. Don't get me wrong, the DDOS problem is real, but not for

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Chris Ranch
Correcting a typo... Yes, the 7206vxr with whatever processor really checks out when under any kind of real flood through it. It's big brother, the 7304-NSE100 does as well. But the 7304-NPE100 with the PXF can forward that (d)DoS very well. Even with fairly extensive ingress

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Chris Ranch
I don't know why they even sell the NSE100. You want the NPE with the PXF. Chris No, that's backward. The NSE100 has the PXF processor. The NPE-G100 is a software router. Correct, of course. Thanks. Chris

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-10 Thread Richard
Right... I did mention that further down in my message. And yeah - almost impossible to get much done when the CPU is pegged. I remember a DOS attack demo where they used 7200s for the examples - almost wanted to yell out try pegging the CPU with lots of traffic and THEN try to identify /

DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Richard
Hi, We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade these routers. One criteria is the ability to track which IP address is under attack and

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:35:06PM -1000, Richard wrote: Hi, We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade these routers. One criteria

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 9 May 2005, Richard wrote: : We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers : CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't : handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade these routers. One criteria : is the ability to track

Re: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Will Yardley
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:35:06PM -1000, Richard wrote: We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade these routers. What kind of

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Richard
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:35:06PM -1000, Richard wrote: We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the router just couldn't handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade these routers. What kind

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 9 May 2005, Richard wrote: : We recently experienced several DOS attacks which drove our backbone : routers CPU to 100%. The routers are not under attack, but the : router just couldn't handle the traffic. There is a plan to upgrade : type of routers. Our routers normally run at

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Mon, 9 May 2005, Scott Weeks wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2005, Richard wrote: : type of routers. Our routers normally run at 35% CPU. What sucks is that the : traffic volume doesn't have to be very high to bring down the router. That's because it's the number of packets per time period that it can't

RE: DOS attack tracing

2005-05-09 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 9 May 2005, Steve Gibbard wrote: : On Mon, 9 May 2005, Scott Weeks wrote: : On Mon, 9 May 2005, Richard wrote: : : : type of routers. Our routers normally run at 35% CPU. What sucks is that the : : traffic volume doesn't have to be very high to bring down the router. : : That's