The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would
work for this application.
Note that the original poster did use multicast for his
query. He sent one copy to nanog@merit.edu where his
email was replicated and forwarded to multiple
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 07:11:21PM -0400, David Andersen wrote:
On Jun 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:30:50PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
What's the matter with simply using the mailing list?
Don't reinvent the wheel.
For precisely that
It all depends on what you call a medium/large-scale outage. Based on
historical list content, I think such outages are typified by events such as
(mis)handling of malformed AS_PATH attributes by different router vendors,
AS7007, Sprint 0.0.0.0, NSI root server corruption, widespread/cascading
My concern would be that by openly encouraging people to send in more
reports of or inquiries about outages, we are going to see a lot more
noise from unqualified folks wanting to be cool. I personally don't
want
to hear about it every time someone wants to vendor bash (@#$%^ing GX
is
nanog-outage@ ? ? ?
On 6/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My concern would be that by openly encouraging people to send in more
reports of or inquiries about outages, we are going to see a lot more
noise from unqualified folks wanting to be cool. I personally don't
want
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 06:40:10PM -0400, Dave Stewart wrote:
At 06:12 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote:
If we started posting about every fiber cut of every carrier anywhere in
North America every time it happened there wouldn't be any room left on
this list for talking about spam, senderid, DNS RFCs,
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
From down here, like Dave, at the relative bottom of the food chain, I
must agree with him and Steve, though I do understand Richard's
concerns there, and they're valid ones.
The Internet needs a PA system.
Problem is, the people who are equipped to talk, and, by and
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Pete Templin
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:51 AM
To: Jay R. Ashworth
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in
Dallas area)
[ SNIP ]
OK, make
[ SNIP ]
I think that these things are operational and belong here. Its'
the level that ras is talking about and the content. Saying
MCI has a massive fiber cut impacting 230 Congress IX vs.
GBLX is not doing what I demand are very different types of
outage posts.
My original post to the
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would
work for this application.
Pete
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 09:22:02PM +0300, Petri Helenius wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would
work for this application.
Well, that's fine, at the transport layer, but I think more an
On Jun 8, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Petri Helenius wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which
would work for this application.
It barely works for any application. I hesitate to think how well it
work work
What's the matter with simply using the mailing list?
Don't reinvent the wheel.
- ferg
-- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would
work for this application.
Well, that's fine, at
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 09:22:02PM +0300, Petri Helenius wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would
work for this application.
Well, that's fine, at the
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Jay R. Ashworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:25 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in
Dallas area)
[ SNIP ]
Well, that's fine
Ask the folks at the NYSE. ;-)
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163703141
- ferg
-- Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Internet needs a PA system.
There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which
would work for this
It seems like it's taking more time to discuss it than it actually
would take to create a nanog-outage list.
Maybe it's not being done because doing so would be threatening to a
lot of people.
Having a large sounding board for outages will make it very difficult
for larger providers to
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 02:35:42PM -0400, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
Well, that's fine, at the transport layer, but I think more an
application layer solution is called for.
Something akin to news.announce.important on Usenet?
How about [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oddly, that's my approach, yes.
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:30:50PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
What's the matter with simply using the mailing list?
Don't reinvent the wheel.
For precisely that reason, I, personally, am on your side.
It's not the *best* solution, but it's probably the least worst.
Cheers,
-- jr
--- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not the *best* solution, but it's probably the
least worst.
Least worst could describe pretty much everything
about how we do networking today, so count me in the
chorus of folks who consider outages completely
on-topic.
David Barak
I did notice A low number on the index at
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
-Henry
--- Joel Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ SNIP ]
I think that these things are operational and
belong here. Its'
the level that ras is talking about and the
content. Saying
MCI has a
Is anybody seeing any congestion in the Dallas area for Global Crossing?
I'm seeing packet loss to some of my equipment up there.
Thanks,
Joel Perez| Network Engineer
305.914.3412 | Ntera
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:09:26PM -0400, Joel Perez wrote:
Is anybody seeing any congestion in the Dallas area for Global Crossing?
I'm seeing packet loss to some of my equipment up there.
There is a large fiber cut in the area (somewhere between Dallas and
Houston), affecting a lot of
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:28 PM
To: Joel Perez
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:09:26PM -0400, Joel Perez wrote:
Is anybody seeing any congestion in the Dallas area for Global
Crossing?
I'm seeing packet loss
Perez| Network Engineer
305.914.3412 | Ntera
-Original Message-
From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:28 PM
To: Joel Perez
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas
: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:28 PM
To: Joel Perez
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:09:26PM -0400, Joel Perez wrote:
Is anybody seeing any congestion in the Dallas area for Global
Crossing?
I'm seeing packet loss to some of my equipment up
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:05:58PM -0700, Steve Gibbard wrote:
Speaking in my personal, non-list-administrator, not having discussed this
with anybody else, capacity, I think that notifications of large-scale
outages affecting large numbers of networks are a really useful thing to
have
At 06:12 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote:
If we started posting about every fiber cut of every carrier anywhere in
North America every time it happened there wouldn't be any room left on
this list for talking about spam, senderid, DNS RFCs, E911 for VoIP
carriers, err... wait which side am I arguing
I concur.
- ferg
-- Dave Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I think NANOG is certainly an appropriate forum for medium/large-scale
outages - unless someone's created an outage list someplace.
I will agree that it's not the place to bitch about a vendor not giving
more specifics, dumping
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area
I concur.
- ferg
-- Dave Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I think NANOG
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