On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:59:14AM -0800, Brett wrote:
> I personally like the idea, even though it's not original, it just
> took a large site to back it. Too bad they couldn't do it right.
It *can't* be done "right".
That's the point that some of us have been making, both in an ethical
sens
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 10:57:15AM +0100, Andre Oppermann wrote:
> If you do any bogon filtering at all then do it with some automatically
> updating system like an BGP bogon feed from Cymru.
How does the BGP bogon feed from cymru protect against more-specific
bogons ?
--
Cliff Albert <[EMAIL
On 3-dec-04, at 10:57, Andre Oppermann wrote:
Routers would ship with the iana_reserved_block list of when they were
manufactured. If the user is stoopid enough not to be able to get his
filters from Cymru directly then he should not have any filtering at
all
because he is never going to update i
On Thu 02 Dec 2004 (16:14 -0500), Steven Champeon wrote:
>
>
> All I was pointing out was that, surprise, surprise, there already are.
> So why anyone thinks Lycos' botnet being hacked is /any different/ from
> /the current situation/ is utterly beyond my ken. Why would any spammer
> bother to h
On Thu 02 Dec 2004 (15:21 -0500), Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:56:29PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > Possibly. What will happen if the Lycos botnet gets hijacked?
> >
> > The conversations between the clients and the servers don't appear
> > to be keyed. If a millio
Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
And while Cisco's autosecure feature looks fine in most parts (saves
a lazy overworked bum like me a lot of typing), it does not do much
good - in my opinion - when it comes to bogon filtering. I prefer
knowing what the filter looks li
Hank :-)
> > that, nor any way of modifying the list (correct me if I'm wrong).
>
> See pages 9, 10 and 12 of the PDF I posted. Specifically, it
> sets up: "ip access-list extended autosec_iana_reserved_block", and "ip
> access-list extended autosec_complete_bogon" which you of course can
> cha
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
> And while Cisco's autosecure feature looks fine in most parts (saves
> a lazy overworked bum like me a lot of typing), it does not do much
> good - in my opinion - when it comes to bogon filtering. I prefer
> knowing what the filter looks like, and it doe
Chad,
> That's why I am a very firm believer in the power of "ip route
> x.x.x.x y.y.y.y null0" command. :) Makes the problem go away for me
> (for the most part) and doesn't cause anyone else any pain as a
> result except my customers, who agreed to let me use that power when
> they purchased
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Justin Ryburn wrote:
This is what scares me. Who determines the "bad guys?" I don't know anyone
over at Lycos so I have no trust (or lack there of) in Lycos. Who is to say
that Lycos won't decide next month that Yahoo, Google, MSN, _insert your own
network here_ are "bad guys
ver been hurt. Sing like
nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on earth."
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On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:18:52PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> Can you direct me toward a singluar entity of 1MM bots controlled by
> a single master?
Nobody can, except the single master who's in control of same, and
whoever that is -- if there is -- is unlikely to voluntarily share
that in
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on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:46:00PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
quoting me:
> > > Um, not 1 million bots - in concert.
> >
> > And you know this how, exactly? I'm sure not convinced.
>
>
> http://w3.cambridge-news.co.uk/business/story.asp?StoryID=65877
>
> "Lycos Europe's 20 million users w
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:18:52 EST, "Hannigan, Martin" said:
> Can you direct me toward a singluar entity of 1MM bots controlled by
> a single master?
Well, it was a while ago that some Polish guys were openly advertising
their 465K zombie network - I'd be most surprised if it isn't over 1M by
now.
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on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:18:52PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> Can you direct me toward a singluar entity of 1MM bots controlled by
> a single master?
No, I cannot. I *can*, and have, forward on reports by those more in
the know than I that estimate 100K new bots / day are being added, and
I
on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:15:34PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
quoting me:
> > My point was to Martin's question about what would happen if - god
> > forbid - there were large botnets under the control of spammers; a
> > careful reading will suggest that my major point was, duh, that there
> >
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on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:58:03PM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
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> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> >
> > on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:56:29PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > > Possibly. What will happen if the Lycos botnet gets hijacked?
> > >
> > > The conversations betw
on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:55:02PM -0800, Chad Skidmore wrote:
quoting me:
> >What's the difference? Why is everyone so upset about Lycos and
> >nobody seems to be doing much of anything about the /existing
> >botnets/, which conservative estimates[1] already put at anywhere
> >from 1-3K per botne
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:56:29PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > Possibly. What will happen if the Lycos botnet gets hijacked?
> >
> > The conversations between the clients and the servers don't appear
> > to be keyed. If a million clients got o
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on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:56:29PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> Possibly. What will happen if the Lycos botnet gets hijacked?
>
> The conversations between the clients and the servers don't appear
> to be keyed. If a million clients got owned, it would be the
> equivalent of an electronic Bu
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
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> > Cc: Hannigan, Martin; nanog list
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