Re: Outages mailing list

2006-10-02 Thread S. Ryan
You're right, it'll probably never happen. I do find when I am upfront and honest with our customers, they enjoy it and act far less irritated than giving them what the company would prefer and that is 'we're down, sorry, it'll be down for xx amount of time..' Personally, if my ISP had

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:32:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: Gadi's tactics in a nutshell: 1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog 2) get called on it repeatedly OK, for the purposes of this discussion, we'll postulate that in fact, the posting was indeed off-topic... 3)

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Alexander Harrowell
Presumably, if you find you can't reach the outages list because their listserv has had an outage, you just come up on NANOG like before? On 9/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:32:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: Gadi's tactics in a nutshell: 1) develop a

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Alexander Harrowell wrote: Presumably, if you find you can't reach the outages list because their listserv has had an outage, you just come up on NANOG like before? Please, let's not do this one again. I can't imagine what this profits anyone. Let this be the last post, resist the

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread virendra rode //
! Don't fall for it, people. -- Niels. - - I apologize if I wasn't clear in my original e-mail. The outages mailing list is being run by me (virendra rode) with the only motive to help the network operator community. Gadi Randy were nice enough to offer

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Randy Bush
if folk need to discuss more gadiisms as opposed to ops stuff, any chance it could move to -futures? randy

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Scott Weeks
- Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... scott

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Rick Kunkel
I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Rick On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Scott Weeks

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread S. Ryan
That's another debate entirely. Last I checked, the mail I get in my inbox I consider mine and thus, I will do as I please with it. Including re-posting if I want. : Hmm.. I say forward it along! Rick Kunkel wroteth on 9/29/2006 1:45 PM: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Jay Hennigan
Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:24:43 -0700, Jay Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Rick Kunkel
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread chip
On 9/29/06, Rick Kunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen.

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Rick Kunkel
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, chip wrote: On 9/29/06, Rick Kunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Scott Weeks
- Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to

Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, Gadi Evron, Randy Vaughn and myself have initiated an outages mailing list. The primary goal of this mailing list (outages) is to report major outages similar to what FCC provided prior to 9/11 days but they seem to have pulled back due

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, virendra rode // wrote: Gadi Evron, Randy Vaughn and myself have initiated an outages mailing list. The primary goal of this mailing list (outages) is to report major outages similar to what FCC provided prior to 9/11 days but they seem to be sure to subscribe Sean

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, virendra rode // wrote: Gadi Evron, Randy Vaughn and myself have initiated an outages mailing list. The primary goal of this mailing list (outages) is to report major outages similar to what FCC

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread William Allen Simpson
Don't forget to CC all the traffic to NANOG list. Major outages have always been an important part of NANOG list traffic going back to the days when we were network techs, and are one main reason that I'm a subscriber here. I have no intention of joining yet another list for the same

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread Albert Meyer
William Allen Simpson wrote: Don't forget to CC all the traffic to NANOG list. Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will distract him from NANOG-L. I don't post much but I read NANOG-L for the

RE: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew Kirch
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Meyer Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:45 PM To: William Allen Simpson Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Outages mailing list William Allen Simpson wrote: Don't forget to CC all the traffic

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-28 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Meyer) [Thu 28 Sep 2006, 21:47 CEST]: William Allen Simpson wrote: Don't forget to CC all the traffic to NANOG list. Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will distract