Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:20 PM -0700 2002/08/28, David Schwartz wrote: > There are a few thousand people and more computers than you can shake a > stick at located at Fort Meade for just this purpose. I'm not worried about Fort Meade for something like this. Moreover, this is not "widely available"

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-28 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:32 PM -0700 2002/08/27, Jim Hickstein wrote: > Hear, hear! I run an email-only service provider > (www.imap-partners.net), and we have to help certain users over > the threshold at e.g. Earthlink by permitting them to reach us > on another port. This is logically ridiculous, and bound

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-28 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:13 PM -0700 2002/08/27, David Schwartz wrote: > I'm afraid the technology to rapidly sift through large volumes of > information to search for specific areas of interest is widely available. Really? Where? I'd like to know what they are and where. >

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:37 PM -0400 2002/08/27, Dean Anderson wrote: > You worked at AOL? This happens quite often. I've known of several admins > who started reading email, checking terminal servers, and "disrupting" > users who complained about the admins performance. One admin wrote a > script that reset

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:16 PM +0200 2002/08/27, Bruce Campbell wrote: > I understand the proposal to be based on the envelope sender, not the > sender in the body. Hence, mailing lists work, because they are the > envelope sender, not the person who submitted the mail to the mailing > list. Read my

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:19 AM -0600 2002/08/27, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Because I want to send mail through my own SMTP server that speaks > STARTTLS and uses certificates that are under my control. That's a valid concern. Indeed, that's exactly the sort of thing I will want to be doing in the near

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:58 PM +0100 2002/08/27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It might be possible to make filters that don't need to be updated that > often if > you apply AI techniques to recognizing SPAM. For instance, check out this > new approach: > http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/spam.html

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:19 PM -0700 2002/08/26, David Schwartz wrote: > Every ISP I have ever worked for and every ISP I have ever used has > eventually been convinced by me to come around to this policy. Do whatever > you want by default, but let trusted/clueful people opt out of it and just > get their

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:14 PM +1000 2002/08/27, Martin wrote: > but surely an MTA derives it's usefulness by running on port 25. i don't > remember reading about where in the DNS MX RR you could specify what port > the MTA would be listening on... Proper support of SRV records would allow you to put t

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:02 PM -0400 2002/08/26, Scott Gifford wrote: > The proposal suggests that you get all of the A records for all of the > accepted names, then make sure that one of the A records matches the > address that the connection came from. See sec. 2.3. Right. And when they add a new ma

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-26 Thread Randy Bush
>> ISP's should actually block port 25 outgoing, or even better, >> reroute/forward it to their own mail relay. > Agreed. why not do it to port 80 as well? what the hell, why not do it to all ports? who the hell needs an internet anyway, let's all have a telco walled garden. can we get b

Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working GroupProposal at smtpng.org)

2002-08-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:12 PM +0200 2002/08/26, Jeroen Massar wrote: > ISP's should actually block port 25 outgoing, or even better, > reroute/forward it to their own mail relay. Agreed. > This will force people to use their upstreams email address though when > sending email outbound. Yup.