Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-12 Thread Chris Jester
Did a bit of looking and found this in relation to the ARIN case.. http://38.96.4.16/order.pdf Chris Jester Suavemente, INC. SplitInfinity Networks 619-227-8845 AIM: NJesterIII ICQ: 64791506

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-12 Thread Owen DeLong
Look at this page: http://www.arin.net/cgi-bin/member_list.pl Every one of those organizations has disclosed to ARIN all their customer names, etc... That is the way things are done. If you don't want to play ball like the rest of us, then you are not going to get IP addresses. That's the simple

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-12 Thread John L Lee
IMHNLO ( In My Humble Non Legal Opinion)**   IP Addresses were created by UC, BBN, AT&T for/under the US Government. They were managed and controlled by the Gov first with DARPA and then Commerce etc until the management was deeded to ARIN.  The original Internet was going to be destroyed by

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-12 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > The reason that ARIN allocations are not property is > > that pre-ARIN allocations were not property. ARIN is > > merely continuing the former process with more structure > > and public oversight. Are telephone numbers property? > IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findla

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Stephen Satchell
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote: Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences. I am having an issue right now with a UNIVERS

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote: Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences. I am having an issue right now with a UNIVERSI

RE: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Jim McBurnett
Owen, I totally agree-- In the last 2 years I have worked with ARIN and received several assignments for end users and NONE of them were difficult for the assignment. I think the worst I saw was getting an outdated ORG ID record changed! The time from request to assignment in one case was less t

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Sep-2006, at 13:44, Chris Jester wrote: Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences. I have talked to many people who hav

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote: IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findlaw.com/ hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/kremencohen72503opn.pdf. Given that domain names are property, IP addresses should be property, especially in California where are constitution states "All things o

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Owen DeLong
IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findlaw.com/ hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/kremencohen72503opn.pdf. Given that domain names are property, IP addresses should be property, especially in California where are constitution states "All things of value are property" I'm not sure how you