GE> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:49:20 -0500 (CDT)
GE> From: Gadi Evron
[ tongue perhaps only slightly in cheek ]
GE> Some things the NOC used to help us with quite lot, that were not
GE> directly related to their obvious job description:
GE>
GE> 1. Reboots (as specified earlier).
GE> 2. Getting
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> Gadi Evron wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I have a friend who used managed to get "Not A Janitor" on his
> > business card.
>
> My all-time favorite business card was one from Autodesk from the chief
> financial officer, who appeared to be a real Niven fan:
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:49:36AM -0400, Donald Stahl wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I have a friend who used managed to get "Not A Janitor" on his
> > business card.
> "Rear Admiral" was my favorite business card title if only because that
> was also the caller ID on my phone (I managed the PBX at the
Gadi Evron wrote:
Anyway, I have a friend who used managed to get "Not A Janitor" on his
business card.
My all-time favorite business card was one from Autodesk from the chief
financial officer, who appeared to be a real Niven fan:
Speaker to Bankers
i don't know about most nocs. but the few to which i have been close
have had three or four levels of folk, from competent techs to darned
good ip engineers. i know folk in the verio, ntt, iij, ... nocs that i
would rather have backing me up than some of my fellow prima donna
global internet poo
1) Expected to have above-average UNIX skills, above-average exposure to
DNS (understanding SOAs, must have familiarity with dig, etc.),
familiarity with HTTP (manual fetches/form queries, etc.), SSH and
...
and do not hire people who tote themselves as superior or "too proud to
work in a NO
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:49:36AM -0400, Donald Stahl wrote:
> We call our level 1 NOC people "Operators." We reserve Network Analyst for
> the level 2 people who also do some small amount of scripting and other
> more advanced troubleshooting. Network Analyst makes me think of Stock
> Analyst
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:49:36AM -0400, Donald Stahl wrote:
...
> Has anyone thought to clearly define these titles somewhere so that
> everyone can standardize on them?
There are SAGE System Administrator levels, well defined and accepted by
most of those who have heard of them. Would they
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:47:26PM -0600, Todd Christell wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
> department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
> HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the
> generall
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 19:47 -0600, Todd Christell wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
> department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
> HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the
> generally accepted
Anyway, I have a friend who used managed to get "Not A Janitor" on his
business card.
"Rear Admiral" was my favorite business card title if only because that
was also the caller ID on my phone (I managed the PBX at the time).
I've seen "Systems/Unix/DNS Ninja." At my current job I make breakf
> "Booger Eater (I/II/III/IV) just doesn't look good on a business card :)
Our marketing guy was the IS Manager before I cam on board, and still helps
cover for me when I'm on vacation or otherwise out of town. So in addition
to his "real" business cards he has some that have Backup Information
T
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
>
> > - Technical Support Representative
> > - Network Administrator
> > - Senior Network Administrator
>
> > Or, you could just call them all "booger eaters" and be done with it.
>
> "Boog
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
"Booger Eater (I/II/III/IV) just doesn't look good on a business card :)
Ah, how much I miss the days of my previous employer, who had a web page
where you could order business cards. The order went straight to the
printshop, and they'd mail them to the address li
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
- Technical Support Representative
- Network Administrator
- Senior Network Administrator
Or, you could just call them all "booger eaters" and be done with it.
"Booger Eater (I/II/III/IV) just doesn't look good on a business card :)
"N
HR only cares so they can legally title and pay these people. Name them
something relative of course. At two of the big ISP's I have associated
with they call their guys Network Operations Engineer Levels 1-3.
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NOC Knuklehead? Hummm? Nocklehead!
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Greetings,
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
departme
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 15 00:52:53 2007
> Subject: Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)
>
> K. Graham wrote:
> > I was called a "nocling" but I doubt that would pass the HR test.
> >
>
> I'm kinda partial to NOC Knuklehead.
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> I was called a "nocling" but I doubt that would pass the HR test.
>
I'm kinda partial to NOC Knuklehead.
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Jeff Kell wrote:
>
> Jay Hennigan wrote:
> >
> > This is as best I recall a direct quote. "We don't care. You can
> > call yourself Supreme Imperial Grand Poo-Bah if you want as long as
> > our network stays up."
>
> Nah, the proper term is "Network Czar" until you get i
Jay Hennigan wrote:
This is as best I recall a direct quote. "We don't care. You can
call yourself Supreme Imperial Grand Poo-Bah if you want as long as
our network stays up."
Nah, the proper term is "Network Czar" until you get into network
security, then you become the "Network Nazi" o
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist.
We're 24x7 and we get by just fine without an HR department.
It has worked fine for 13 years, and will conti
Todd Christell wrote:
Greetings,
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the
generally accepted title?
This is as best I recall a direct q
NOC monkey
On 3/14/07, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, K. Graham wrote:
> I was called a "nocling" but I doubt that would pass the HR test.
There's also "reboot monkey". :)
How about "Network Support something" ?
Gadi.
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On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
NOC (insert generic group name here)?
NOC NOC?
[Who's there?]
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Todd Christell wrote:
Greetings,
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the
generally accepted title?
Thanks in advance,
Todd Christell
S
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
Not sure why your HR dept would even care :)
So they can look them up on a pay scale list and decide what they should be
paid.
In pretty much every place I've worked, the pay scale was set by the
hiring
Todd,
Maybe Im missing something here but I am not a believe in new
positions/salary just because you are going from a noc to a 24x7 noc.
Now, if you dont already have a noc and want to create the department
and also have it 24/7, I would simply leave have them as Network
Analyst. This would rea
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, K. Graham wrote:
> I was called a "nocling" but I doubt that would pass the HR test.
There's also "reboot monkey". :)
How about "Network Support something" ?
Gadi.
--
"beepbeep it, i leave work, stop reading sec lists and im still hearing
gadi"
- HD Moore to Gad
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 22:07 -0400, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd Christell wrote:
>
> > Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
> > department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
> > HR has a problem with calling them NOC Spe
I was called a "nocling" but I doubt that would pass the HR test.
Kim
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
> Not sure why your HR dept would even care :)
So they can look them up on a pay scale list and decide what they should be
paid. Had this problem at one place I was at where the pay scale list
thought a "System Administrator" or "Network Administrato
NOC Technician? Support Technician? I have others that I was called
when I worked in a NOC but it probably wouldn't be proper for here...
-Mike
On 3/14/07, Todd Christell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greetings,
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
department. We are
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd Christell wrote:
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR
department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and
HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the
generally accepted title?
Not sure why your HR dept
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