Re: Site Finder

2003-10-17 Thread Michael . Dillon
I wonder how eager they would be to implement wildcards if restricted from making any revenue from the service the wildcard points to (ie. sitefinder). If Verisign establishes that it is a legitimate business practice to redirect traffic for misspelled domain names, then the question is, who

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Lockwood
Recognizing that I am not an 'expert', I have got to ask just one question. Can these people at Verisign really think that they know better than all of the real experts that have worked with/on the DNS over the years. It seems rather silly to assume that a few people have more knowledge than

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Brandon Butterworth
What effective action can we take as a collective group to get the point across that we will not tollerate this type of behavior? Internet death penalty? (at last a topic you can configure your router for) Having been provided a mechanism to catch all those typos what ISP wouldn't want that

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Owen DeLong
They claim to be representing the USER community and to know better than we what they end users want. They think we're just a bunch of geek engineers that are unwilling to embrace new ideas. Most of all, they think they can make money this way, and, they don't really care about anything else.

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
Yes, I will heartily agree with this. Having this functionality be triggered by a wildcard in the DNS records is the wrong approach. It's the application that should be taking care of this if (NXDOMAIN) redirect(preferences-sitefinder_host, url); If verisigin wants to partner with someone to

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Jared Mauch
I've been thinking that there should be a new type of record introduced to be application specific for HTTP, just as MX only applies to smtp. Due to a wide variety of applications relying upon A records as their method, or method of last resort (eg: if no MX, go directly to the

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Jack Bates
Owen DeLong wrote: They claim to be representing the USER community and to know better than we what they end users want. They think we're just a bunch of geek engineers that are unwilling to embrace new ideas. Most of all, they think they can make money this way, and, they don't really care

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:08:41PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: I've been thinking that there should be a new type of record introduced to be application specific for HTTP, just as MX only applies to smtp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is basically what SRV records (rfc2782) are intended

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Michael Loftis
I have a good one, when was the last tiema telco asked any of us, or anyone for that matter, how to handle an NPA-NXX assignment? or LERG? NEVER. We're not qualified to make decisions like that because we don't know what the effects could or would be. Likewise VeriSign obviously doesn't,

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Owen DeLong
--On Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:57 -0600 Michael Loftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a good one, when was the last tiema telco asked any of us, or anyone for that matter, how to handle an NPA-NXX assignment? or LERG? This isn't necessarily a great analogy for this situation. It is

(on-topic) / RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Bryan Bradsby
I for one am going to dumping all traffic bound to SiteFinder. One (operational) suggestion. Kindly return an icmp [net|host|port] unreachable, not just a route to /dev/null. Just a thought about the (waste of) client retrys and timeouts. Thank you, -bryan bradsby == The

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Owen DeLong wrote: --On Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:57 -0600 Michael Loftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a good one, when was the last tiema telco asked any of us, or anyone for that matter, how to handle an NPA-NXX assignment? or LERG? This isn't

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Kee Hinckley
At 4:07 PM +0100 10/16/03, Ray Bellis wrote: Quoting Rusty Lewis from http://verisign.com/corporate/news/2003/pr_20031007b.html?sl=070804 We will continue to take feedback from both Internet users and the technical community on how we can ensure that the service is available for the many Internet

Re: (on-topic) / RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Michael Loftis
My bad I should've been more specific, that is indeed what I will personally be doing on any networks that I can, which should be basically everything. I'm also considering the other alternative suggested by some, which is to push traffic to a host of my own. I will have to do something about

RE: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Geo.
Verisign is trying to move this argument into a question of what best serves the end-user. This doesn't matter, their point should be moot. Verisign is charged with managing the .com and .net domains for the public. They DO NOT OWN those domains so they are not allowed to use them for their own

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Jason Slagle
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Kee Hinckley wrote: Verisign is trying to move this argument into a question of what best serves the end-user. They are doing this because the public understands that, and because they know they can't win the question of what best serves the infrastructure providers.

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread E.B. Dreger
KH Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:23:41 -0400 KH From: Kee Hinckley KH Verisign is trying to move this argument into a question of what best KH serves the end-user. They are doing this because the public KH understands that, and because they know they can't win the question KH of what best serves

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Michael Moscovitch
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: Yes, I will heartily agree with this. Having this functionality be triggered by a wildcard in the DNS records is the wrong approach. It's the application that should be taking care of this if (NXDOMAIN) redirect(preferences-sitefinder_host,

Re: Site Finder

2003-10-16 Thread Robert Boyle
At 09:27 PM 10/16/2003, you wrote: I agree that an application level solution at the edge is the best. I like the idea of having a user configurable parameter in the client browser to allow the ``finder'' URL to be set. The browser ``manufacturer'' would of course put their own default and the