Re: data center space

2006-04-18 Thread Alain Hebert
If its like Montreal. The cost of electricity is getting high enought that Colo Space is better spend per rack than on a cage. I saw Colo literally double the price of big customer (cages) to get ride of them for rack space. Philip Lavine wrote: Can someone tell me if I am out of

Re: data center space

2006-04-18 Thread Mike Sawicki
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote: > > Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in > New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What > happened? > Try VZN/MCI Carteret, down the Turnpike about 8 miles. --

Re: data center space

2006-04-19 Thread jim bartus
They claim to be full too, at least from a power perspective.  They won't run us more power until the city council aproves them running more power to the building.-jimOn 4/18/06, Mike Sawicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote:>> Can someone te

Re: data center space

2006-04-19 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 11:06 AM 4/19/2006, jim bartus wrote: They claim to be full too, at least from a power perspective. They won't run us more power until the city council aproves them running more power to the building. -jim There are likely to be sub leases available from tenants in existing. desirable,

Re: data center space

2006-04-19 Thread Alex Rubenstein
On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is fluid and many facilities are being expanded both space and environmental, that most locations really are full

Re: data center space

2006-04-19 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 08:11 PM 4/19/2006, Alex Rubenstein wrote: On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is fluid and many facilities are being expanded both space and envir

RE: data center space

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Golding
Marty Said... > At 08:11 PM 4/19/2006, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > > > >>On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told > >>analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year > >>so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is > >>fluid and many facilities are b

Re: data center space

2006-04-20 Thread John Curran
At 9:36 PM -0400 4/19/06, Martin Hannigan wrote: >Remember when folks thought Exodus was crazy for 220w per square foot? 265w/sqft can just handle today's typical blade server power density (allowing for a reasonable amount of wire management and slightly less than full blade loading). If you l

Re: data center space

2006-04-21 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote: > > Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in > New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What > happened? My guess (this being NJ) is an aftereffect of the 9/11/2001 d

Re: data center space

2006-04-21 Thread Robert Boyle
At 06:51 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote: > > Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What happened? My guess (this being NJ) is an

Re: data center space

2006-04-21 Thread Jim Popovitch
Joseph S D Yao wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote: Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What happened? My guess (this being NJ) is an aftereffect of t

Re: data center space

2006-04-24 Thread Michael . Dillon
> Five years after 9/11 you would think that people would have located > business continuity ops much further away (assuming the businesses are > based in NYC) than NJ. The financial industry has to have their NY backups somewhere else in the NY area because they generally require proximity to

RE: data center space

2006-04-24 Thread Lincoln Dale
> Five years after 9/11 you would think that people would have located > business continuity ops much further away (assuming the businesses are [..] > Disclaimer: I work for someone who provides outsourcing services > including the area of business continuity. I suggest you talk to some of the fo

Re: data center space

2006-04-24 Thread Jim Popovitch
Lincoln Dale wrote: I suggest you talk to some of the folks you work with that have to deal with synchronous replication. In the world of storage networking & synchronous I/O, typically anything higher than 1 msec round-trip latency is too high. True, but 2ms latency in syncing a backup syst

RE: data center space

2006-04-24 Thread Lincoln Dale
> Lincoln Dale wrote: > > > > I suggest you talk to some of the folks you work with that have to deal > with > > synchronous replication. > > > > In the world of storage networking & synchronous I/O, typically anything > > higher than 1 msec round-trip latency is too high. > > True, but 2ms laten

Re: data center space

2006-04-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:43:47 EDT, Jim Popovitch said: > all know what the next big threats are (nuclear and/or biological), is > it worth the risk that the next (and there will be) event is small > enough not to affect an area 65 miles across? If I was a Manhattan based company, and an event too

Re: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Michael . Dillon
> True, but 2ms latency in syncing a backup system is much better than 1 > month complete loss of service due to *poor* continuity planning. We > all know what the next big threats are (nuclear and/or biological), is > it worth the risk that the next (and there will be) event is small > enoug

Re: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Josh Cheney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You have to take a balanced approach to continuity planning. > Otherwise, you risk going bankrupt long before there is > any big catastrophe. > > Also, I would say that expecting a terror act to knock > out a 65 square mile area is being a bit over pessimistic. > Pessi

Re: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > Also, I would say that expecting a terror act to knock > > out a 65 square mile area is being a bit over pessimistic. > If any of you have not done so, I would highly recommend reading Bruce > Schneier's book 'Beyond Fear'. The particular scenario that is being > described here is what he woul

Re: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Jeff Hayward
On 4/21/06, Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Five years after 9/11 you would think that people would have locatedbusiness continuity ops much further away (assuming the businesses arebased in NYC) than NJ.  I'm sure that regulations require them to be x miles or in another state.  But all t

Re: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Edward B. DREGER
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:17:51 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have to take a balanced approach to continuity planning. Otherwise, you risk going bankrupt long before there is any big catastrophe. "risk analysis" Also, I would say that expecting a terror act to knock out a 65 square m

RE: data center space

2006-04-25 Thread Edward B. DREGER
LD> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:51 +1000 LD> From: Lincoln Dale LD> I suggest you talk to some of the folks you work with that have to LD> deal with synchronous replication. LD> LD> In the world of storage networking & synchronous I/O, typically LD> anything higher than 1 msec round-trip latenc