Re: image stream routers

2005-10-21 Thread Mike Harrison
> behind their gurantee. If it doesn't work, they'll either fix it, or give > you your money back. I'm way behind.. just getting caught up on NANOG: Circa 2000 I got stuck with one of the ImageStream DS3 systems, tried to return it and get our money back and could not.. Our reason for return

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Lincoln Dale
Dan Hollis wrote: right. what i'm pointing out is that if Imagestream routers really ARE capable of >OC12 (and perhaps multiple of them) then its unlikely its s/w-based forwarding. doesnt mean they are violating GPL to do it. look at nvidia for example. agree. all i'm saying is that it is

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Lincoln Dale wrote: right. what i'm pointing out is that if Imagestream routers really ARE capable of >OC12 (and perhaps multiple of them) then its unlikely its s/w-based forwarding. doesnt mean they are violating GPL to do it. look at nvidia for example. -Dan

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Lincoln Dale
right. what i'm pointing out is that if Imagestream routers really ARE capable of >OC12 (and perhaps multiple of them) then its unlikely its s/w-based forwarding. once again - i claim no clue on how Imagestream work. but i am very familiar with linux. and router/switch architecture. che

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Edward B. Dreger
LD> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:18:28 +1000 LD> From: Lincoln Dale LD> [without having looked at Imagestream in any way, shape or form..] LD> LD> it would be _unlikely_ that any router vendor that wants to support >OC3 LD> could do so with the 'standard' (non-modified) linux IP stack. if they ar

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Edward B. Dreger
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A collegue smartbits tested a 1GHz pc, with a full feed and 250k simoultaneons flows it managed around 250kpps. This also with freebsd and device polling. It sounds to me like a software based machine can be plenty fast with

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005, tony sarendal wrote: ... until you get an inbound ddos over that shiny gige at 1.44 Mpps. in today's world, planning for normal circumstances is woefully insufficient, you have to spec based on worst case numbers because you're almost guaranteed they will hit your network u

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread tony sarendal
> > ... until you get an inbound ddos over that shiny gige at 1.44 Mpps. in > today's world, planning for normal circumstances is woefully insufficient, > you have to spec based on worst case numbers because you're almost > guaranteed they will hit your network upside the head in the future. >

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Deepak Jain
It sounds to me like a software based machine can be plenty fast with good code under the hood. In my experience a datacenter pumping out 1Gbps is usually doing 200-250kpps in that direction. Considering this a box capable of around 1Mpps is "plenty fast". ... until you get an inbound dd

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread Paul G
- Original Message - From: "tony sarendal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: image stream routers --- snip --- >>It sounds to me like a software based machine can >> be plenty fast with good code under th

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread sthaug
> > Sorry, in today's world of high-end routers 250kpps doesn't qualify as > > "plenty fast". Can your box do linerate Gigabit Ethernet with minimum > > size packets, on several ports simultaneously? > > > > I didn't say that a 250kpps box was a high-end box. > One reliable Mpps is not high-end

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread tony sarendal
On 17/09/05, tony sarendal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/09/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A collegue smartbits tested a 1GHz pc, with a full feed and 250k > > > simoultaneons flows it managed around 250kpps. This also with freebsd > > > and device polling. It sounds t

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread tony sarendal
On 17/09/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A collegue smartbits tested a 1GHz pc, with a full feed and 250k > > simoultaneons flows it managed around 250kpps. This also with freebsd > > and device polling. It sounds to me like a software based machine can > > be plenty fast with

Re: Quality of User Experience (was RE: image stream routers)

2005-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
> In general, whatever router is in use, be it Juniper or Pentium or Gerbil, > will either keep up with the offered packets/sec, or it won't. and, if you want to know if it does, measure it, don't read marketing bumph. randy

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread sthaug
> A collegue smartbits tested a 1GHz pc, with a full feed and 250k > simoultaneons flows it managed around 250kpps. This also with freebsd > and device polling. It sounds to me like a software based machine can > be plenty fast with good code under the hood. Sorry, in today's world of high-end ro

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-17 Thread tony sarendal
On 17/09/05, Lincoln Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Christopher J. Wolff wrote: > > I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in > > software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC (Cisco, > > Juniper) > > [without having looked at Imagestr

Re: Quality of User Experience (was RE: image stream routers)

2005-09-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:55:05 PDT, "Christopher J. Wolff" said: > So, if all other elements (software, customer support, and management) are > equal, what router hardware architecture will contribute to a positive or > negative user experience? In other words, if the routing device between my > wor

Re: Quality of User Experience (was RE: image stream routers)

2005-09-17 Thread Lincoln Dale
he routing device between my workstation and server is a Juniper M7 instead of Pentium IV running unix-flavor-of-the-day, how will that affect the quality of user experience? Thank you, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lincoln D

Quality of User Experience (was RE: image stream routers)

2005-09-16 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
ay, September 16, 2005 11:18 PM To: Christopher J. Wolff Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: image stream routers Christopher J. Wolff wrote: > I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in > software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Lincoln Dale
Christopher J. Wolff wrote: I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC (Cisco, Juniper) [without having looked at Imagestream in any way, shape or form..] it would be _unlikely_ that any route

RE: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Greg Boehnlein
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Christopher J. Wolff wrote: > I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in > software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC (Cisco, > Juniper) Probably a good question for Imagestream to answer, as I can't speak to it. I'

RE: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
er 16, 2005 4:57 PM To: Matt Hess Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: image stream routers On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Hess wrote: > I'd like to get some feedback as to what people's experiences are (if > any) with image stream routers.. specifically the industrial ones. > > http:

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Greg Boehnlein
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Hess wrote: > I'd like to get some feedback as to what people's experiences are (if > any) with image stream routers.. specifically the industrial ones. > > http://www.imagestream.com/ Had a discussion with the manager of a large ISP in Turkey. He's a transplanted Au