Re: Customer view vs. operator view was:( h-root-servers.net)

2005-10-24 Thread Peter Dambier
Thank you Michael, for throwing light into this. Yes, I see, Sabri and me are on two different rails, one leading north, the other one leading east. I hope Sabri still has got all his hairs. I am counting mine now. Kind regards and thank you again, Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: Customer view vs. operator view was:( h-root-servers.net)

2005-10-24 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 03:06:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, > This is a good example of a useless argument caused when one > person is speaking from a customer viewpoint and one customer > is speaking from an operator viewpoint. Last time I checked, the O in [EU|NA|AFRI]NOG

Customer view vs. operator view was:( h-root-servers.net)

2005-10-24 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > I know of one host here in germany who can see h.root-servers.net. > > That host is living in a KPN data centre directly connected to Amterdam > > IX. > > Your own traceroute clearly shows that your host is not directly > connected to the AMS-IX. Nor does the KPN datacenter it resides in. Th

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-24 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:40:14PM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: > Sabri Berisha wrote: Dear Peter, > > Peter Dambier did post nonsense. In fact, it was total nonsense since > > the AMS-IX is not present in any KPN datacentre, *and* it is impossible > > for end-hosts to connect to the AMS-IX direc

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-24 Thread Peter Dambier
Sabri Berisha wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:07:03PM -0500, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Peter Dambier did post nonsense. In fact, it was total nonsense since the AMS-IX is not present in any KPN datacentre, *and* it is impossible for end-hosts to connect to the AMS-IX directly. Part o

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-24 Thread Peter Dambier
Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:59:15AM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: I means, here in germany we cannot see h.root-servers.net Here is my traceroute to h.root-servers.net right now: So, where do you see a problem related

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-24 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:07:03PM -0500, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Dear John, > No, why don't you stop insulting people, Niels. You attack Peter because > of his involvment in the Inclusive Namespace. FYI: Public root servers > are online and available. Maybe the h-root ops should ask the

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:59:15AM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: > > I means, here in germany we cannot see h.root-servers.net > > > Here is my traceroute to h.root-servers.net right now: > > So, where do you see a problem related to L3/Cogent there? Your

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-23 Thread Alexander Koch
On Sun, 23 October 2005 16:07:03 -0500, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > No, why don't you stop insulting people, Niels. You attack Peter because > of his involvment in the Inclusive Namespace. FYI: John, I disagree. A person lacking the clues so badly and wildly guessing (and posting it) is da

Update: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-23 Thread Peter Dambier
h-root-servers.net works now, even from dtag.de It was not about level 3. It was a firewall. Kind regards Peter and Karin Dambier -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-23 Thread John Palmer (NANOG Acct)
rs up. - Original Message - From: "Niels Bakker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter Dambier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: h-root-servers.net > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Dambier) [Sun 23 Oct 2005, 22:34 CEST]: > &

Re: h-root-servers.net

2005-10-23 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Dambier) [Sun 23 Oct 2005, 22:34 CEST]: I know of one host here in germany who can see h.root-servers.net. That host is living in a KPN data centre directly connected to Amterdam IX. Peter, please stop posting nonsense. -- Niels.

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Peter Dambier
Daniel Roesen wrote: He talked about "here in germany". "germany" is a nonexistant entity in BGP and global routing. You cannot talk about observation of connectivity problems with location specification in terms of "countries". Hi Daniel, I thought it might make more sense telling where I

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 08:00:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:59:15AM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: > >> I means, here in germany we cannot see h.root-servers.net > > > > Nonsense. There is nothing like "geopolitical routing". > > I wouldn't call it "geopolitical ro

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Daniel Roesen: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:59:15AM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: >> I means, here in germany we cannot see h.root-servers.net > > Nonsense. There is nothing like "geopolitical routing". I wouldn't call it "geopolitical routing", "routing according to local policy" is more approp

Re: h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:59:15AM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote: > I means, here in germany we cannot see h.root-servers.net Nonsense. There is nothing like "geopolitical routing". > Ok, it is only one of the root servers. But have a look who > h.root-servers.net is. It is one of the originals not

h-root-servers.net (Level3 Question)

2005-10-23 Thread Peter Dambier
323.133 ms * 325.671 ms 13 so12-0-0-0.arlapg.dren.net (138.18.1.3) 373.705 ms 381.351 ms 393.036 ms 14 * * * ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> . @h.root-servers.net ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached A friend of mine has got a