Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> So having said all that, what exactly was your point? :-) > > bluff calling. > > that you can not tell us if that specific host is a proxy means that this > is pretty much bs. > > that you and yo

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Randy Bush
So having said all that, what exactly was your point? :-) bluff calling. that you can not tell us if that specific host is a proxy means that this is pretty much bs. that you and your no-girls-allowed club have some list of things you think are proxies (sure would be nice to have a definiti

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Give me an IP address (privately, of course). I can tell you if it is, >> with >> consult from other colleagues in the security community. > > 147.28.0.36 > > and "consult with colleagues" is not

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Randy Bush
Give me an IP address (privately, of course). I can tell you if it is, with consult from other colleagues in the security community. 147.28.0.36 and "consult with colleagues" is not something very operationally scalable. randy

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > On 08.12.13 09:33, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: >> >> anyone with half a brain blocks proxies from their e-commerce site. > > can you know at a reasonable confidence level that it's a proxy? > Give me

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Randy Bush
On 08.12.13 09:33, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: anyone with half a brain blocks proxies from their e-commerce site. can you know at a reasonable confidence level that it's a proxy? randy

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > Because anyone with half a brain blocks proxies from their e-commerce > site. > I doubt it. -M<

RE: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
Because anyone with half a brain blocks proxies from their e-commerce site. >-Original Message- >From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:49 PM >To: Nathan Stratton >Cc: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP... > > >On D

RE: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
We probably should move this to funsec, but I'll bite. The basic problem is the lack of security and non-repudiation in credit cards in general, and the US in particular. Non-clonable, card-present, technologies have existed for a long time, and card readers are cheap. AMEX tried to make this fre

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Joe Abley wrote: >> >>> On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote: >>> It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related products, that forget, that a lot or IT pr

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote: > >> It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related >> products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all >> over the world and usually have a credit card in their home country. >> >> Pure a

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Joe Abley wrote: On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote: It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all over the world

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Nathan Stratton
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Joe Abley wrote: On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote: It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all over the world and usually have a credit card in their home country.

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote: It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all over the world and usually have a credit card in their home country. Pure and utter nonsense. Or perhaps

Re: e300 vs mx240 for border router ?

2008-12-12 Thread Michael J McCafferty
Leslie, Can you summarize any other info you may have learned in the private responses for the benefit of those that are interested ? I am not at all familiar with the Force10s, am buying new border routers now. Thanks, Mike On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:27 -0800, Leslie wrote: > Thanks to everyone

Re: e300 vs mx240 for border router ?

2008-12-12 Thread Leslie
Thanks to everyone who wrote back privately -- I also didn't know that force10 now has dual-cam linecards which raises the amount of routes it can handle Leslie wrote: Hey nanog-izens So for routers that are touching our transit and (hopefully soon) future peering, we're looking at both the

RE: e300 vs mx240 for border router ?

2008-12-12 Thread David Kotlerewsky
How many BGP sessions will you run on these routers? Sincerely, David Kotlerewsky, Sr. Network Engineer - OVERSEE.NET 515 S. Flower Street, Suite 4400 Los Angeles, CA 90071 ph 213.408.0080 x1458 cell 310.350.0399 www.oversee.net dkotlerew...@over

e300 vs mx240 for border router ?

2008-12-12 Thread Leslie
Hey nanog-izens So for routers that are touching our transit and (hopefully soon) future peering, we're looking at both the force10 e300's and juniper mx240's. The e300's are cheap but I have heard some rumors/talk of falling over when it has to deal with large numbers of prefixes and routes?

Re: UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread Rick Ernst
Replying to my own since there are currently about a dozen responses. - Hardware/ASIC routers are a consistent response. We are currently evaluating Juniper for other reasons, but I'll add DoS mitigation to mix. - Upstream involvement: We get transit from 701, 1239, etc. I've had mixed re

RE: UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread Matthew Huff
Although the problem we had wasn't DoS, but rather high packet rates for market data, we saw a huge improvement by moving from a 7204VRX to a 7600 platform. Going from a software switched environment to a hardware one help deal with large number of packet drops during peaks of burst activity. W

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Nicolas Antoniello wrote: Sorry for my ignorance... but may some one explain how this fraud-prevention service works? How about US tourists in Chile trying to buy something with it's US based credit card? :) It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related products, that for

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 14:38, Nicolas Antoniello wrote: > How about US tourists in Chile trying to buy something with it's US > based credit card? :) It just doesn't work. -Jim P.

Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Nicolas Antoniello
Sorry for my ignorance... but may some one explain how this fraud-prevention service works? How about US tourists in Chile trying to buy something with it's US based credit card? :) Thx, Nic. Frank Bulk wrote: > Is there an easy way to get past history on an IP block? Most sites will > show y

RE: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

2008-12-12 Thread Frank Bulk
Is there an easy way to get past history on an IP block? Most sites will show you aspects of that *now* Frank -Original Message- From: Robert Tarrall [mailto:tarr...@ecentral.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:45 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chi

Re: UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:27 AM, David Kotlerewsky wrote: 2. As far as hardware is concerned, we're in the same boat as far as various UDP/ICMP floods, and our Juniper M10i's handle it with no issues (running multiple BGP sessions, OSPF, firewall sets/access lists). Right - a hardware-based pl

RE: UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread David Kotlerewsky
Couple of things come to mind: 1. Take a packet capture to see some UDP traffic characteristics, based on which traffic rate-limiting may be configured by your upstream providers, so that this traffic doesn't saturate your pipes, and maybe the ISP can even drop it. That is if they're willing to he

Re: UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:15 AM, Rick Ernst wrote: - Are there any platforms that deal with high PPS/small packet more gracefully? S/RTBH can deal with any type of packet-flooding DDoS at layer-3, up to the capacity of the platform in question. It sounds as if a) you should investigate gett

UDP DoS mitigation?

2008-12-12 Thread Rick Ernst
We've had an increasing rate of DoS attacks that spew tens-of-thousands of small UDP packets to a destination on our network. We are getting roughly 2x our entire normal pps across all providers through one interface, or about 4x normal through the individual interface. The Cisco 7206VXR/NPE-G1

Weekly Routing Table Report

2008-12-12 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith . Routing

[NANOG-announce] NANOG 45 Agenda Posted

2008-12-12 Thread Todd Underwood
On behalf of the NANOG Program Committee and Merit I'm pleased to announce that an updated Agenda is available and posted at: http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/agenda.php We're excited about the quality of the agenda and we hope you are, too. I want to thank all of the members of the Program

The Cidr Report

2008-12-12 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Dec 12 21:18:53 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2008-12-12 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 05-Nov-08 -to- 06-Dec-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS4538 232133 1.9% 45.7 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center