Re: [Nanog-futures] Conference Network Experiment policy

2009-04-09 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Joe Provo nanog-...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: Thanks for the feedback - please do keep it coming! We'll pop out an updated draft to reflect the concensus when some equilibrium is reached, but just to comment on some of the questions and points raised so far

Re: [Nanog-futures] Conference Network Experiment policy

2009-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Martin Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Joe Provo nanog-...@rsuc.gweep.net mailto:nanog-...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: Thanks for the feedback - please do keep it coming! We'll pop out an updated draft to reflect the concensus when some equilibrium is

Re: L2 - L3 Etherchannel

2009-04-09 Thread Amolak
Thanks guys. -Amolak On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Arie Vayner arievay...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Amolak amolak.si...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Is it possible to create L2 Etherchannel at one end and L3 etherchannel at another end? For Example: SW-1

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 06:33:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: Cisco 6500/7600 with SUP720-3BXL handles 1mil routes If I remember correctly, using certain function(s) like e.g. uRPF halves this value (in FIB). Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: d...@cluenet.de -- d...@ircnet -- PGP:

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us writes: I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is something to do. I regularly use everything from SSH to streaming video without any issues. I only notice the delay with

Cisco AGM

2009-04-09 Thread Konstantin Bezruchenko
Hi all, I wonder if here any people who own/maintain Cisco AGM, or maybe used this device in past. I want to ask few questions. Please reply offlist. Thanks, Konstantin

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread sthaug
Cisco 6500/7600 with SUP720-3BXL handles 1mil routes If I remember correctly, using certain function(s) like e.g. uRPF halves this value (in FIB). Old Sup2, yes. Sup720 and related, no. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Daniel Senie
On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us writes: I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is something to do. I regularly use everything from SSH to streaming

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread Dan Snyder
An Alcatel 7750SR can support over 1 million BGP routes in its FIB and I assume that the Cisco XR12000 family would also be able to handle the full table a year from now. -Dan On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote: I was chatting with someone the other day

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote: I was chatting with someone the other day and we were trying to build a complete list of all units which can handle full routing tables 1 year from now, assuming current 4k/month growth (nevermind de-aggregation) What

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Tim Durack wrote: Cisco 6500/7600 you replace SUP32 or SUP720 with SUP720-3BXL ...if I understand it, no other cards need replaced? (note that this disagrees with my understanding of how their FIB/CEF

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Daniel Senie d...@senie.com writes: We observe this same kind of behavior with firewalls in the path watching for dead sessions they can clean up. Appears they send RSTs to both end points when they decide a session has gone away, as that'll let end hosts figure it out sooner. Same

Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia)
Hi all, in most of the existing 2G/2.5G mobile PS-core (Packet Switch) networks have Gi segment (interface between GGSN IP Router/firewall). Due to the IP address constraint, operator usually do NAT on the Gi firewall to NAT the private IP to public IP in the past. Looking at the traffic

Verizon EVDO issues

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Thursday 09 April 2009 15:31:10 Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Interesting. When I got my Sprint EVDO card (u727) a year and a half ago, they were pretty nasty about gunning down (bidirectional spoofed RST coming out of the middle of the

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Jason Evans
Yup. Abovenet fiber between 200 Paul SFO and 11 Great Oaks SJC is currently out of commission. jason On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Stefan Molnar ste...@csudsu.com wrote: VZ in the South Bay (San Jose) is out. As per news reports I watched at 6am PDT. --Original Message--

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Aaron Hughes
200 Paul Ave is seeing several carriers down. I am also in Santa Cruz and cannot make or receive long distance calls on my land lines. Unconfirmed reports of Caltrain cut. Cheers, Aaron On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:37:14PM +, Stefan Molnar wrote: VZ in the South Bay (San Jose) is out.

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Hi all, in most of the existing 2G/2.5G mobile PS-core (Packet Switch) networks have Gi segment (interface between GGSN IP Router/firewall). Due to the IP address constraint, operator usually do NAT on the Gi firewall to NAT the private

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Please share your thought and thanks in advance :) No, IMHO. Most broadband operators don't insert firewalls inline in front of their subscribers, and wireless broadband is no different. The infrastructure itself must be

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:48:32 Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Hi all, in most of the existing 2G/2.5G mobile PS-core (Packet Switch) networks have Gi segment (interface between GGSN IP Router/firewall). Due to the IP address constraint, operator usually do NAT on the Gi firewall to NAT

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:12:57 -0400 Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: I use a Verizon Wireless u727; before that, I used a PCMCIA card. I've never had problems with drops on idle. *However* -- if there was a packet from the wrong IP address, the older card would drop the

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: Todays GGSN and other devices should handle it, even though they didn't do it well 5+ years back. There's a lot of legacy (and not-so-legacy) gear out there with weak IP stacks; beyond that, the relevant BCPs like iACLs should be

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Alexander Harrowell wrote: I would think that, however you are providing IP addresses, any ingress point to a GSM core network ought to be carefully policed on security grounds. Sure. But stateful firewalls aren't required to protect that infrastructure,

attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403220 --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-09 Thread Hector Herrera
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote: I was chatting with someone the other day and we were trying to build a complete list of all units which can handle full routing tables 1 year from now,

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Steven M. Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403220 This is different from ATM or FRAME or Private lines how? In the end, MPLS is just a transport layer for the private

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Well if we pull apart the article a bit Quote 1) Network infrastructure security has been in the limelight lately, with researchers uncovering big vulnerabilities in the Domain Name System (DNS), the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP), TCP, and in Cisco routers. Wasn't aware of any big

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread David Edwards
Hello, Mercurynews.com is reporting telephone outages in Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties that started around 2:00 am local time. I observed numerous carrier outages starting around 4:00 am local time. Does anyone know if this is due to the same fiber cut, or are these separate issues?

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Hector Herrera
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steven M. Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403220                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb I'll wait to read their full presentation, but

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Steven M. Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu writes: Interesting. I never had that behavior exhibited on my old PCMCIA card on Verizon or on my u727 on Sprint. What OS platform were you on lappie-wise? I run NetBSD but I know that the problem also showed up on Linux -- a friend who worked for

RE: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Carlos Alcantar
Seeing the same thing have an oc48 down from abovenet out of 200 paul -carlos -Original Message- From: Aaron Hughes [mailto:aar...@bind.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:13 AM To: Stefan Molnar Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area 200 Paul Ave is seeing several carriers

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
Meh... Sure, it rehashes what we pretty well already know, If a bad guy can get access to your network or your management tools, you're boned. It's still worth reminding folks that they need to take appropriate measures to defend and monitor these devices. Too many networks and servers get

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread David W. Hankins
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote: Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a metro line down). AboveNet is reporting issues and I've heard unconfirmed reports that ATT and VZW are affected as well. Confirmed VZW ATT;

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Ravi Pina
News coverage: http://cow.org/r/?5459 http://cow.org/r/?545a And not that I expect any useful updates: http://twitter.com/attnews -r On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote: Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a metro line down).

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Andreas Ott
Hi, On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:15:05AM -0600, David Edwards wrote: Mercurynews.com is reporting telephone outages in Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties that started around 2:00 am local time. I observed numerous carrier outages starting around 4:00 am local time. Does anyone know if this

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I saw my Sonic.net-over-ATT ADSL go dark at 02:30 local and it is still down, served on a fiber remote out of SNCZCA01. (I'm guessing the 200 Paul outages are associated with where this ATM terminates and that's the cause, rather than the service in/out of Santa Cruz County, but I have no way

RE: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Geo.
Level3 is having problems in the 216 area code as well (Cleveland) George Roettger -Original Message- From: David Edwards [mailto:da...@reliablehosting.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:15 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area Hello, Mercurynews.com is

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Lyon
Anyone know where the actual cut is? On 4/9/09, David W. Hankins david_hank...@isc.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote: Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a metro line down). AboveNet is reporting issues and I've heard

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard w...@typo.org wrote: Meh... Sure, it rehashes what we pretty well already know, If a bad guy can get access to your network or your management tools, you're boned. actually... what it says is that 'hey, your VPN' isn't really 'private' like an

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is? (not that I mind, just a little advert for the appropriate forum, and a place that MAY have some useful info on this topic) -chris On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Ravi Pina r...@cow.org wrote: News coverage:

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Ravi Pina wrote: News coverage: http://cow.org/r/?5459 http://cow.org/r/?545a And not that I expect any useful updates: http://twitter.com/attnews Lots of folks covering the same thing... http://search.twitter.com/search?q=fiber+cut http://search.twitter.com/search?q=outage Also

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Micheal Patterson
- Original Message - From: Wayne E. Bouchard w...@typo.org To: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: attacks on MPLS? Meh... Sure, it rehashes what we pretty well already know, If a bad guy can get access to

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Roy
Service to South Santa Clara county is completely down: Internet, landline, and cellphones. Both Verizon and ATT are affected. 911 is also down. My cellphones show one or no bars. Normally they are all four bars. The idea that all of that is lumped in one fiber bundle is mind boggling. On

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Christian Koch
Monterey Highway I think On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know where the actual cut is? On 4/9/09, David W. Hankins david_hank...@isc.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote: Just dropping a note that there is a

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Ravi Pina
From the news coverage it appears to be in the general area of http://cow.org/r/?545c -r On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:11:58AM -0700, Mike Lyon wrote: Anyone know where the actual cut is? On 4/9/09, David W. Hankins david_hank...@isc.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Cariffe
Monterey Road just north of Blossom Hill, San Jose On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know where the actual cut is? On 4/9/09, David W. Hankins david_hank...@isc.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote: Just dropping

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread George William Herbert
Mike Lyon writes: Anyone know where the actual cut is? According to SF Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/09/BAP816VTE6.DTLtsp=1 The fiber-optic cables were severed shortly before 1:30 a.m. along Monterey Highway north of Blossom Hill Road in south San Jose,

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is? Jared put together long time ago outages at outages.org seems to still be active and receiving reports about this one. List archive is at

Re: attacks on MPLS?

2009-04-09 Thread Christian Koch
oh and heres the vid so you can see the demos http://www.shmoocon.org/2009/videos/AllYourPackets-Rey.m4v On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Christian Koch christ...@automatick.netwrote: They presented on the same topic at shmoocon, not sure if the info is any more updated for BH EUROPE, but

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Alex H. Ryu
Hey Chris, Yes. outa...@outages.org is the one. Alex Christopher Morrow wrote: isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is? (not that I mind, just a little advert for the appropriate forum, and a place that MAY have some useful info on this topic) -chris On

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:45:08AM -0400, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Daniel Senie d...@senie.com writes: We observe this same kind of behavior with firewalls in the path watching for dead sessions they can clean up. Appears they send RSTs to both end points when they decide a session has

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Yeah. It's on outages. Not much useful there. Christopher Morrow wrote: isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is? (not that I mind, just a little advert for the appropriate forum, and a place that MAY have some useful info on this topic) -chris On Thu, Apr 9,

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Christian Koch
nice article on bitgravity blog regarding the cuts.. http://sandbox.bitgravity.com/blog/2009/04/09/destroy-the-internet-with-a-hacksaw/ On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.comwrote: Ravi Pina wrote: News coverage: http://cow.org/r/?5459

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Michael Holstein
Anyone know where the actual cut is? Based on the previously posted news articles .. First one is in this proximity : 37°15'20.79N 121°48'9.38W Second one is in this proximity : 37°29'44.00N 122°14'44.31W First one is along a highway .. second one is along railroad tracks. Google

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread George William Herbert
I had written in a NANOG reply: Mike Lyon writes: Anyone know where the actual cut is? According to SF Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/09/BAP816VTE6.DTLtsp=1 The fiber-optic cables were severed shortly before 1:30 a.m. along Monterey Highway north of Blossom

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Jorge Amodio
My cellphones show one or no bars.   Normally they are all four bars. hmmm, probably not related but could be that some cellphone operators are restricting coverage to give priority to emergency svcs communications.

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Robert M. Enger
That ATT has stopped provisioning protection fiber for automatic restoral is mind boggling. That our crack (or on crack) govt contracting/emergency-preparedness staff didn't demand protected facilities for 911 is another mind boggling issue. That there is no over-under wide-area back-up

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Robert M. Enger wrote: We posture and orate about being prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters, and then events like these reveal the reality: The emperor has no clothes. You wouldn't have clothes either if you could double your profit by not wearing any. Matthew Kaufman

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Lyon
Yeah, that's about the right amount of time to crawl out of a man hole, cover it back up, get in the car, drive to a 24 hour starbucks, pick up some coffee and drive up to San Carlos, open man-hole, repeat process... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, George William Herbert

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread David Edwards
At 12:55 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: From the news coverage it appears to be in the general area of http://cow.org/r/?545c -r Interesting. The report I got from a vendor was that it is Above.net with a fiber cut in Redwood City which is affecting a circuit of mine between 200 Paul in SF and

RE: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Skywing
Verizon filters unsolicited inbound traffic for their EVDO customers in my experience. - S -Original Message- From: Roland Dobbins rdobb...@cisco.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 09:32 To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Gadi Evron
Jorge Amodio wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is? Jared put together long time ago outages at outages.org seems to still be active and receiving reports about this

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, George William Herbert wrote: The fiber-optic cables were severed shortly before 1:30 a.m. along Monterey Highway north of Blossom Hill Road in south San Jose, police Sgt. Ronnie Lopez said. The fact that it's vandalism is VERY annoying. Sadly it also shows how vulnerable

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: First one is in this proximity :  37°15'20.79N 121°48'9.38W Street view shows a few manholes in the vicinity. Second one is in this proximity :  37°29'44.00N 122°14'44.31W Didn't see anything obvious here.

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread JC Dill
Michael Holstein wrote: Anyone know where the actual cut is? Based on the previously posted news articles .. First one is in this proximity : 37°15'20.79N 121°48'9.38W Second one is in this proximity : 37°29'44.00N 122°14'44.31W First one is along a highway .. second one is along

RE: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
A sobering touché. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: Robert M. Enger [mailto:en...@enger.us] Sent:

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Robert M. Enger wrote: That ATT has stopped provisioning protection fiber for automatic restoral is mind boggling. That our crack (or on crack) govt contracting/emergency-preparedness staff didn't demand protected facilities for 911 is another mind boggling

PPPoE PPP authentication attempts

2009-04-09 Thread Bruce Anthony Grobler
Hi Everyone, Please can someone assist me with this wierdness DEAD: RADIUS server server3:1812,1813 is not responding. Apr 9 2009 21:28:42.001 UTC: %RADIUS-4-RADIUS_ALIVE: RADIUS server server3:1812,1813 has returned. Apr 9 2009 21:28:43.953 UTC: %RADIUS-4-RADIUS_DEAD: RADIUS server

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Yep it leads to: Activity Type Code Desc: PROGRESS COMMENTS Activity Type Code: PROG OTDR readings were taken by ATT West and a cut was located 1600 ft from the San Jose, CA central office. ATT West technicians are onsite working to isolate the exact location of the cut. There are 4

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Lyon
There were multiple cuts. South san jose and san carlos. Yours would be the san carlos one :) On 4/9/09, David Edwards da...@reliablehosting.com wrote: At 12:55 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: From the news coverage it appears to be in the general area of http://cow.org/r/?545c -r Interesting. The

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
David Edwards wrote: At 12:55 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: From the news coverage it appears to be in the general area of http://cow.org/r/?545c -r Interesting. The report I got from a vendor was that it is Above.net with a fiber cut in Redwood City which is affecting a circuit of mine

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread JC Dill
Robert M. Enger wrote: That ATT has stopped provisioning protection fiber for automatic restoral is mind boggling. That our crack (or on crack) govt contracting/emergency-preparedness staff didn't demand protected facilities for 911 is another mind boggling issue. 911 centers can work

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread William R. Lorenz
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Joe Abley wrote: I am hearing from multiple people about connectivity problems in the bay area, and they all seem to have 200 Paul in common. ISC is reporting a fibre cut between 529 Bryant, Palo Alto and 200 Paul, SF. At least one Unitedlayer customer in 200 Paul seems to

RE: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Carlos Alcantar
Looks like our circuit out of 200 paul from abovenet is back up. -Original Message- From: David Edwards [mailto:da...@reliablehosting.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area At 12:55 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: From the news

Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all. There were multiple fiber cuts in a major metropolitan area, resulting in the loss of critical infrastructure necessary to many peoples daily lives (though

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Scott Doty
David Edwards wrote: At 12:55 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote: From the news coverage it appears to be in the general area of http://cow.org/r/?545c -r Interesting. The report I got from a vendor was that it is Above.net with a fiber cut in Redwood City which is affecting a circuit of mine between

Re: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
Yep verizon does indeed filter all unsolicated inbound traffic to the EVDO network. It can be a blessing or a curse. :) Skywing wrote: Verizon filters unsolicited inbound traffic for their EVDO customers in my experience. - S -Original Message- From: Roland Dobbins

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Raul D. Rincon
http://i.gizmodo.com/5205952/att-putting-up-10-reward-for-cable-cutting-vandals r On Apr 9, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: First one is in this proximity : 37°15'20.79N 121°48'9.38W Street

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: That our crack (or on crack) govt contracting/emergency-preparedness staff didn't demand protected facilities for 911 is another mind boggling issue.  This costs $$$ and usually isn't a problem as there are other ways to

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Lyon
Appears I can get to Yahoo without 4000ms of latency now too and I don't have to be routed from San Jose, Ca to Philly to DC. -Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Carlos Alcantar car...@race.com wrote: Looks like our circuit out of 200 paul from abovenet is back up. -Original

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Jared Mauch wrote: That ATT has stopped provisioning protection fiber for automatic restoral is mind boggling. Only helps with N-1 breaks. Unfortunately, sometimes there are N+1 breaks. Check the NANOG archives, I believe there were 5 breaks in one day in the 1990's;

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 18:04, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote: Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all. I'll pipe in with this: No amount of money can deter a determined entity. If there

RE: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Rod Beck
Hold on. Who says this sabotage? These incidents happen all the time without sabotage being involved. A ship sank off the coast of Pakistan and took out both international cables serving the country ... We had the undersea earthquake that seven seven cables in the Taiwan straits. The truth

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Charles Wyble
I didn't say it was sabatoage... It would appear that this was a deliberate act I tried to be very careful to say that it appears to have been sabatoage, but that it's not confirmed. Also this isn't the middle of the ocean, but cable underground. That usually doesn't get cut unless it's

Re: PPPoE PPP authentication attempts

2009-04-09 Thread Tom Wright
Sounds like the NAS spitting this out has been ACL'd from the RAD's somehow... Bruce Anthony Grobler wrote: Hi Everyone, Please can someone assist me with this wierdness DEAD: RADIUS server server3:1812,1813 is not responding. Apr 9 2009 21:28:42.001 UTC: %RADIUS-4-RADIUS_ALIVE: RADIUS

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread jamie rishaw
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: #ifdef CONSPIRACY_THEORIST What if this isn't simple vandalism? #endif If my read is correct, this is multiple cuts in multiple locations. To answer the what-if (What if this isn't simple vandalism?) : It's not.

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Ravi Pina
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:04:16PM -0700, Charles Wyble wrote: Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all. There were multiple fiber cuts in a major metropolitan area, resulting in the loss of

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all. There were multiple fiber cuts in a major metropolitan area, resulting in the loss of critical

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread Robert M. Enger
No RF, no WPS. If all the base stations are knocked out in a region, and there is no over coverage from towers out of the affected region then there are no channels to which priority access can be allotted. A potential remedy (at least for conventional cell phones) would be to scatter

Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-09 Thread George William Herbert
Scott Doty wrote: (Personally, I can think of a MAE-Clueless episode that was worse than this, but that was in the 90's...) The gas main strike out front of the building in Santa Clara? Or something else? -george william herbert gherb...@retro.com

On a lighter note..

2009-04-09 Thread jamie rishaw
It's amusing to see the media's (misdirected) focus on the event. Expected : MULTIPLE COORDINATED FIBER CUTS TAKE OUT 911, PHONE, CELL, INTERNET TO TENS OF THOUSANDS Google News: ATT uses Twitter ... (link)http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10216712-94.html *shakes head*

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Lewinski
Rod Beck wrote: Hold on. Who says this sabotage? By the time the second plane hit WTC, intent was apparent. I think in this case intent is also apparent based on proximity (and the previously mentioned reward ATT has posted for the capture of vandals). Mike

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread John Martinez
has anyone been able to pin point the cut? There have been mentions of Redwood City, San Carlos, San Francisco. Where exactly is the cut? William R. Lorenz wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Joe Abley wrote: I am hearing from multiple people about connectivity problems in the bay area, and they

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread John Martinez
Quick search on Google. Looks like there is a colo at 200 Paul Ave. San Francisco, CA 94124 --- Selected businesses at this address: BT Americas? Core 180 Inc? Day Nite Trade Bindery? Facebook Inc? - 1 review Hallo Communications? Minute Factory The? Net Logic?

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Rod Beck rod.b...@hiberniaatlantic.com wrote: Hold on. Who says this sabotage? the hacksaw that was taken to two manholes within two hours of each other? I'd love to see the RFO explaining an accident like that.

RE: Do we still need Gi Firewall for 3G/UMTS/HSPA network ?

2009-04-09 Thread Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia)
Hi Charles/Skywing, is Verizon filter the unsolicated inbound traffic on the firewall or on the border router? Regards, Steven Lee -Original Message- From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:09 AM To: Skywing Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Do we

Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-09 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Charles Wyble wrote: So allow me to think out loud for a minute 1) Why wasn't the fiber protected by some sort of hardened/locked conduit? Is this possible? Does it add extensive cost or hamper normal operation? Some people do lock their vaults/pits/manholes. But, to be honest, I'm

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9 Apr 2009, at 21:32, John Martinez wrote: Quick search on Google. Looks like there is a colo at 200 Paul Ave. San Francisco, CA 94124 I can confirm that indeed there is, hence my mail :-)

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9 Apr 2009, at 22:25, Joe Abley wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 21:32, John Martinez wrote: Quick search on Google. Looks like there is a colo at 200 Paul Ave. San Francisco, CA 94124 I can confirm that indeed there is, hence my mail :-) Hence my mail to the outages list, I mean, which is

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread Ravi Pina
The reports seem to be settling on 2 distinct sites -- South San Jose and San Carlos. The former had 4 cuts and latter just 1. -r On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 06:27:53PM -0700, John Martinez wrote: has anyone been able to pin point the cut? There have been mentions of Redwood City, San Carlos, San

Re: [outages] fibre cut near 200 Paul, San Francisco

2009-04-09 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ravi Pina r...@cow.org wrote: The reports seem to be settling on 2 distinct sites -- South San Jose and San Carlos.  The former had 4 cuts and latter just 1. ATT already put a statement mentioning the two sites and offering a $100K reward

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