Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?

2010-07-04 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 2, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Sean Figgins wrote: Andy Davidson wrote: A good quality meeting 'Fringe' is a defining characteristic of a mature community. Let it happen. The fringe is the test-bed for stuff too crazy or early for the formal agenda. Promote this ad-hoc stuff on the nanog

Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?

2010-07-04 Thread Sean Figgins
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The $600 is only the walk-up fee. NANOG is less if you register earlier, as little as $450. As for whether that is expensive or not, I encourage readers to research other conferences and compare for themselves. Thanks for the clarification. I remembered it

Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?

2010-07-04 Thread Dmitry Burkov
On 04.07.10 1:27, joel jaeggli wrote: On 2010-07-03 13:08, Andy Davidson wrote: On 3 Jul 2010, at 04:29, Simon Lyall wrote: Unless people serious intended for the organisation to have regular [1] meetings outside of North America (which I doubt) No, don't. The rest of

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 19:29 -0700, Mike wrote: Yeah, that's what the brochure says anyways, I have been in the ISP business since early 1993. I have used a LOT of Cisco gear in the past 17 years. I am fully aware of it's functionality and it limits.

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: Does anyone know of a solution to connect a POS OC-3 to a router running Mikrotik's RouterOS? I have searched google extensively with varying phrases and nothing helpful comes out of it. I don't know much about Mikrotik, but there are OC-3 interfaces

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Rubens Kuhl
If your routing platform doesn't have POS OC-3, you can use a converter to map Ethernet services to it and keep using the platform you've been using. You lose a little on efficiency and failure detection, but turning BFD on might help: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Routing/BFD I've worked

Re: Feds disable movie piracy websites in raids

2010-07-04 Thread Dmitry Burkov
On 02.07.10 0:27, Randy Bush wrote: The question is because gTLDs operations are in the USA, does it mean that the USA have control over all those domain names? the usg controls the cctlds too. you know better... randy

Re: The Economist, cyber war issue

2010-07-04 Thread Dmitry Burkov
On 02.07.10 2:01, Randy Bush wrote: There is a part 2 as well and this is a bug or a feature? I see it is a feature ...

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Tim McKee
You can always use a Gig-E - OC3c/STM1 media converter. I've used one from RAD just to provide OC3c access speeds for some over Cisco 75xx routers which don't support POS interfaces. Works great. Tim McKee On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 16:07 -0500, Butch Evans wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 12:22

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Michael Sokolov
OK, I'll bite and add my 2 Russian kopecks to the Cisco vs. Linux router thread. To make it clear where I'm coming from, I see the networking world from the viewpoint of non-Ethernet WAN interfaces. A world consisting of nothing but Ethernet is too bland and boring for me to live in, and I

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010, Michael Sokolov wrote: OK, I'll bite and add my 2 Russian kopecks to the Cisco vs. Linux router thread. It's ok. I'll trade you Russian for Australian currency. I don't know which is going to be better in the long run. With non-Ethernet WAN interfaces one really needs an

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-04 Thread Michael Sokolov
Adrian Chadd adr...@creative.net.au wrote: FreeBSD netgraph. It's clean, it's generalised, it's just not very well documented. [...] Have a chat to the FreeBSD community. There's a powerpc port. Shoehorn FreeBSD into it somehow, help tidy up the code to do whateveer you need and start