Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 4/13/11 12:13 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > However, LISP does have non-Internet applications which are > interesting. You can potentially have multi-homed connectivity > between your own branch offices, using one or more public Internet > connections at each branch, and your own private mapping s

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:47 20PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Timely article on the FAA's involvement with sleep schedules: > http://www.ajc.com/news/air-traffic-controller-scheduling-913244.html > "Union spokesman Doug Church said up to now, 25 percent of > the nation's air traffic controller

RE: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Frank Bulk
Timely article on the FAA's involvement with sleep schedules: http://www.ajc.com/news/air-traffic-controller-scheduling-913244.html "Union spokesman Doug Church said up to now, 25 percent of the nation's air traffic controllers work what he called a "2-2-1″ schedule, worki

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 4/7/11 7:04 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Tomas Podermanski wrote: > >> Hi Daniel, >>all IPv6 multihoming ideas are very theoretical today. None of them >> is ready to use. Shim6 looks very good, but it requires support on both >> a client and a server side. As you

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-17 Thread John Palmer (NANOG Acct)
Thanks to all for your suggestions. We've had several other problems with our Barracuda box as well including the fact that it is very under-powered and that the web interface for admin stuff seems to freeze up and only send partial http responses back after log queries. Think will probably m

Re: mail admin contacts within gc.ca ?

2011-04-17 Thread John Levine
In article <20110417184900.gf66...@reptiles.org> you write: > >anyone have a method of determining who to contact about DNS/email issues >within gc.ca? > >i tried emailing postmas...@pco.gc.ca, but got a bounce back saying i was >not on the 'approved list'. (pco.gc.ca being the group i need to cont

mail admin contacts within gc.ca ?

2011-04-17 Thread Jim Mercer
anyone have a method of determining who to contact about DNS/email issues within gc.ca? i tried emailing postmas...@pco.gc.ca, but got a bounce back saying i was not on the 'approved list'. (pco.gc.ca being the group i need to contact) -- Jim Mercerj...@reptiles.org+1 416 410-56

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Michael Young
Having run 24/7 NOC, customer care and tier 3 engineering/dev support, for 20 years, my two cents are: 1) You need to rotate shifts and have overlap between shifts for training and communication purposes 2) Always rotate forward, due sleep cycles 3) If you want to retain staff and not burn them

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 4/17/2011 8:19 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Dave CROCKER" There were 3-5 of us covering things for that added time. But, then, the major operations were purely daytime, during the week. Graveyard shift was quiet enough that we surreptitiously bought a cot..

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Adam Atkinson
John Levine wrote: I've read stuff that confirms that changing to a later shift is much easier than changing to an earlier one. It certainly matches my experience that the jet lag flying to Europe, where I have to get up six hours earlier, is much worse than flying back. Last time I went to t

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Barry Shein
Having done this for quite a few years my advice is that once you get past the basic arithmetic of people-hour-equivalents etc what you need is a middle manager who is a good "horse trader" because it quickly becomes a market of "I can do grave shift Tuesday if you'll take my Saturday AM, I've got

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread John Levine
>Some people claimed they'd have preferred it if we'd changed to the >_following_ shift rater than the preceding shift each week but never >having tried that I don't know how it would be. I've read stuff that confirms that changing to a later shift is much easier than changing to an earlier one.

Re: 365x24x7 (sleep patterns)

2011-04-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Mark Foster" > Local emergency services[1] operate '2 days, 2 nights, 4 off'. > > Dayshifts are 10 hour 8am-6pm. Nightshift is 6pm until 8am. This > creates > a 4-watch rotation. I dunno from Ambulance -- they're load driven... by my understanding is that

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Dave CROCKER" > There were 3-5 of us covering things for that added time. But, then, > the major operations were purely daytime, during the week. Graveyard shift was > quiet enough that we surreptitiously bought a cot... You didn't work for the FAA, Dave, di

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 52

2011-04-17 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Sun Apr 17 08:25:23 > 2011 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:24:40 + > Subject: Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 52 > From: Coy Hile > To: nanog@nanog.org > > > > >> Rotating shifts between daytime and nighttime is a horrible thing to > >> do

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
> For what it's worth, was part of a datacenter operations department > that > had a 24x7 team. 4 shifts, 4 staff on each shift (1 was supervisor who > did same work as the rest, 1 'point of contact' who stayed in the > office). > 4 days on, 4 days off, 12 hour shifts, 8-8. Shift teams would > alte

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
> If I were going to provide a 365x24x7 NOC, how many teams of personnel > do I need to fully cover operations? I assume minimally you need 3 teams to > cover the required 24 hr coverage, but there is off time and schedule > rotation? > > thoughts, experience? It depends a lot on how you structu

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 52

2011-04-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:24:40 -, Coy Hile said: > I wonder how well something like the following would work (seen in > paid fire/EMS circles): > > 24 on, 48 off. Note that for much of those 24 on, the people are actually on downtime on site in case the buzzer goes off. Heck, the station even

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 52

2011-04-17 Thread Coy Hile
> >> Rotating shifts between daytime and nighttime is a horrible thing to >> do to your workers, both for their health and their attention span. > I wonder how well something like the following would work (seen in paid fire/EMS circles): 24 on, 48 off. But staff those 24 shifts with maybe 20% mo

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Skeeve Stevens
I was offered a similar role… but more painful (Imho) 4 days 8am till 8pm 4 days off 4 days 8pm till 8am 4 days off Rinse and repeat. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+6

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Lee
> Rotating shifts between daytime and nighttime is a horrible thing to > do to your workers, both for their health and their attention span. One of the places I worked had the following pattern. It was horrible 2 days/shifts of 6am till 6pm 2 days/shifts of 6pm till 6am 4 days off Wayne

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Adam Atkinson
Bill Stewart wrote: Rotating shifts between daytime and nighttime is a horrible thing to do to your workers, both for their health and their attention span. Full-time night work isn't great, but rotating work is even worse. Apes are generally diurnal, not nocturnal or crepuscular. Shuffling wh

Re: 365x24x7

2011-04-17 Thread Bill Stewart
> Variable scheduling of staff is often deemed more fair, but I think it makes > things less stable.  People are constantly having to change their life. Rotating shifts between daytime and nighttime is a horrible thing to do to your workers, both for their health and their attention span. Full-tim