http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/76
Wondering what folks think about this? If this was true then we just
entered a whole new era of mass WAN exploitation.
Off list replies welcome. Rock and roll folks.
Subject: Re: v4/v6 dns thoughts? Date: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:01:15AM -0400
Quoting Andrew Parnell (and...@parnell.ca):
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> > I also don't recommend doing the foo.v4/foo.v6 thing in your forwards.
> > There's
> > really no advantage to do i
Sorry, couldnt help it... that was my Asperger's kicking in...
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On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>
> fol
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:43 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> I mean really, why
> wouldn't the life safety system in a car dynamically acquire its
> globally-addressable IPv6 addresses from the customer's cheap home
> Internet equipment? So they'll each need their /64's which means the
> car as a whole n
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 2011-08-11 12:45, james machado wrote:
>
>> what is the life expectancy of IPv6? It won't live forever and we
>> can't reasonably expect it too. I understand we don't want run out of
>> addresses in the next 10-40 years but what about
On 11/08/2011, at 1:33 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Yes and no. In terms of potential innovations, if enough of the market chooses
> /60, they will hard code the assumption that they cannot count on more than
> a /60 being available into their development process regardless of what
> gets into the ro
- Original Message -
> From: "Valdis Kletnieks"
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:22:11 EDT, Christopher Morrow said:
> > folks do get that deric's primary language isn't English right? so
> > asking him to explain is probably 'ok'.
> > (yes, he could have put more details into his mail, yes it wo
- Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Morrow"
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Matthew Palmer
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:53PM -0400, Stefan Fouant wrote:
> >> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals
> >> that need to be read?
> >
> > FOAD, pe
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> I also don't recommend doing the foo.v4/foo.v6 thing in your forwards. There's
> really no advantage to do it. Most tools either have separate IPv4/IPv6
> variants
> or have command-line switches for address-family control if you care.
For m
On 8/10/2011 8:46 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Someday, I expect the pantry to have a barcode reader on it connected back
a computer setup for the kitchen someday. Most of us already use barcode
readers when we shop so its not a big step to home
On 11/08/2011, at 12:41 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
>
> On 11/08/2011, at 12:30 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
>> Finally a useful post in this thread. Good work on the deployment of real
>> ipv6!
>>
>
> Thanks. And thanks to Vendor-C for helping us through it. The IPv6 Broadband
> featureset on the A
On 11/08/2011, at 12:30 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
> Finally a useful post in this thread. Good work on the deployment of real
> ipv6!
>
Thanks. And thanks to Vendor-C for helping us through it. The IPv6 Broadband
featureset on the ASR platform starting from IOS-XR 3.1 is a vast improvement
on
On Aug 10, 2011 7:45 PM, "Mark Newton" wrote:
>
>
> On 11/08/2011, at 8:42 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> > I suppose that limiting enough households to too small an allocation
> > will have that effect. I would rather we steer the internet deployment
> > towards liberal enough allocations to avoid
On 11/08/2011, at 12:04 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad I live in Owen's world and not Bill's. I think my appliance vendors
>> will make much cooler and more useful products than yours.
>
> In Owen's world the fridge and pantry would
On 11/08/2011, at 8:42 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> I suppose that limiting enough households to too small an allocation
> will have that effect. I would rather we steer the internet deployment
> towards liberal enough allocations to avoid such disability for the
> future.
I see the lack of agree
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> I'm glad I live in Owen's world and not Bill's. I think my appliance vendors
> will make much cooler and more useful products than yours.
In Owen's world the fridge and pantry would know what they have, the
amounts, and possibly location. Th
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:22:11 EDT, Christopher Morrow said:
> folks do get that deric's primary language isn't English right? so
> asking him to explain is probably 'ok'.
> (yes, he could have put more details into his mail, yes it would have
> been more helpful and quicker to an answer for him...)
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:33:53 EDT, Stefan Fouant said:
> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need to
> be read?
Sure there is. LMGTFY :)
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Carlos Kamtha wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:22:11PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
>> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:53PM -0400, Stefan Fouant wrote:
>> >> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there a
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:43 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> That said, /48 to the home should be what is happening, and /56 is
>>> a better compromise than anything smaller.
>>
>> You don't
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:46 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> Someday, I expect the pantry to have a barcode reader on it connected back
>>> a computer setup for the kitchen someday. Most of us already use barcode
>>> readers when we shop so its no
>
> I don't have to use my imagination to think of ways that additional
> bits on the network address side would have been advantageous -- all I
> need is my memory. In the 90s, it was suggested that a growing number
> of dual-homed networks cluttering the DFZ could be handled more
> efficiently
On 2011-08-11 12:45, james machado wrote:
> what is the life expectancy of IPv6? It won't live forever and we
> can't reasonably expect it too. I understand we don't want run out of
> addresses in the next 10-40 years but what about 100? 200? 300?
>
> We will run out and our decedents will go t
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Someday, I expect the pantry to have a barcode reader on it connected back
>> a computer setup for the kitchen someday. Most of us already use barcode
>> readers when we shop so its not a big step to home use.
>
> Nah... That's short-term thi
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> That said, /48 to the home should be what is happening, and /56 is
>> a better compromise than anything smaller.
>
> You don't really imagine that end-users will require
> more than 2^8 s
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:22:11PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:53PM -0400, Stefan Fouant wrote:
> >> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need
> >> to be read?
> >
> > F
>
> Someday, I expect the pantry to have a barcode reader on it connected back
> a computer setup for the kitchen someday. Most of us already use barcode
> readers when we shop so its not a big step to home use.
>
Nah... That's short-term thinking. The future holds advanced pantries with
RFID s
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> No. A typical user has 10 to 20 addresses NAT'd to one public address.
I'd say this is fair. Amazingly enough, it all basically works right
with one IP address today. It will certainly be nice to have the
option to give all these devices p
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:53PM -0400, Stefan Fouant wrote:
>> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need to
>> be read?
>
> FOAD, perhaps?
folks do get that deric's primary language isn't English right? s
In message
, james machado writes:
> > It isn't hard to do some arithmetic and guess that if every household
> > in the world had IPv6 connectivity from a relatively low-density
> > service like the above example, we would still only burn through about
> > 3% of the IPv6 address space on end-user
> It isn't hard to do some arithmetic and guess that if every household
> in the world had IPv6 connectivity from a relatively low-density
> service like the above example, we would still only burn through about
> 3% of the IPv6 address space on end-users (nothing said about server
> farms, etc. he
In message
, Jeff Wheeler writes:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >> Is it true that there is no existing work on this? =A0If that is the
> >> case, why would we not try to steer any such future work in such a way
> >> that it can manage to do what the end-user wants with
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:53PM -0400, Stefan Fouant wrote:
> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need to
> be read?
FOAD, perhaps?
- Matt
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Deric doesn't know he wants to.. but he *wants* to. *Right Now*. :)
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Is it true that there is no existing work on this? If that is the
>> case, why would we not try to steer any such future work in such a way
>> that it can manage to do what the end-user wants without requiring a
>> /48 in their home?
>
> No,
Yea, it's T2SP or Time to Switch Professions...
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On Aug 10, 2011, at 16:33, Stefan Fouant wrote:
> Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need to
> be read?
>
> Stefan Fouant
> JNCIE-M, JNCIE-ER, JNCIE-SEC, JNCI
> Technical Trainer, Juniper Net
Is there an acronym for RTFM when there are a volume of manuals that need to be
read?
Stefan Fouant
JNCIE-M, JNCIE-ER, JNCIE-SEC, JNCI
Technical Trainer, Juniper Networks
http://www.shortestpathfirst.net
http://www.twitter.com/sfouant
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On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Deric Kwok w
solution: quit smoking crack.
- Original Message -
> From: "Deric Kwok"
> To: "nanog list"
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:35:18 PM
> Subject: network issue help
>
> Hi
>
> There is problem in our network. The connection is disappearing.
>
> ls it about lop ing?
>
> How can I ch
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> That said, /48 to the home should be what is happening, and /56 is
>> a better compromise than anything smaller.
>
> Is hierarchical routing within the SOHO network the reason you believe
haha! Spammingtree! I love it!!!
> From: leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com
> To: ja...@biel-tech.com
> Subject: Re: network issue help
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:50:27 +
> CC: nanog@nanog.org
>
> I just wish spammingtree was on by default.
>
> --
> Leigh Porter
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2011, at 2
TBH, this thread has made the hour preceding my Juniper upgrades *way* more
enjoyable.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Chaim Rieger wrote:
> replied inline, with a summary below
>
>
> On 8/10/2011 2:35 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> There is problem in our network. The connection is disappe
There is some deployable technology that allows some aspects of this today.
Yes, it's in its infancy. Small prefix limitations will guarantee it never sees
the
light of day just as NAT precluded many useful innovations from getting
deployed.
Layer 3 isolation is only isolation by agreement if th
replied inline, with a summary below
On 8/10/2011 2:35 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:
Hi
There is problem in our network. The connection is disappearing.
From this i take is that you are using the avaya networking gear with
the fcoe protocol enabled, this is a big no-no. you need to disable
ipsec, the
On 10/08/11 17:54 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:37:04 +0200, Tim Vollebregt said:
http://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Doug-Lowe/dp/0470534052
Here you go..
Oh, and he wants to read this helpful guide by Eric S. Raymond, too:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/s
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:37:04 +0200, Tim Vollebregt said:
> http://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Doug-Lowe/dp/0470534052
>
> Here you go..
Oh, and he wants to read this helpful guide by Eric S. Raymond, too:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Deric doesn't know he wants to..
I just wish spammingtree was on by default.
--
Leigh Porter
On 10 Aug 2011, at 22:47, "Jason Biel" wrote:
> Is it to the point where I can just forward the emails from help desk to
> NANOG so I don't have to answer them?
>
> Biel
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:39 PM, -Hammer- wrote:
>
>> L
Is it to the point where I can just forward the emails from help desk to
NANOG so I don't have to answer them?
Biel
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:39 PM, -Hammer- wrote:
> LOL
>
> -Hammer-
>
> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
>
>
>
>
> On 08/10/2011 04:37 PM, Tim Vollebregt wrote:
>
>> h
LOL
-Hammer-
"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer
On 08/10/2011 04:37 PM, Tim Vollebregt wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Doug-Lowe/dp/0470534052
Here you go..
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:
Hi
There is problem in our network. The connection is d
http://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Doug-Lowe/dp/0470534052
Here you go..
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:
> Hi
>
> There is problem in our network. The connection is disappearing.
>
> ls it about lop ing?
>
> How can I check it in switch?
>
> ls spammingtree disable by de
Hi
There is problem in our network. The connection is disappearing.
ls it about lop ing?
How can I check it in switch?
ls spammingtree disable by default?
Thank you so much
Steven Feldman writes:
> I am sad to announce that Robert Seastrom has resigned from the NewNOG
> Board of Directors, effective yesterday.
>
> Accordingly, the board has selected Michael K. Smith to fill the
> vacant position between now and the October Election.
Just wanted to follow up on thi
Colleagues:
Elections for three of the six elected positions on the NewNOG/NANOG Board
of Directors will be held in October 2011, for two-year terms ending in
October 2013.
The current Board members whose terms are expiring are:
• Steve Feldman
• Sylvie LaPerriere
• Duane Wessels
• Mike Smith (C
Tim,
Hence the "might". I worry when people start throwing around terms
like routing in the home that they don't understand the complexities of
balancing the massive CPE installed base, technical features, end user
support, ease of installation & managemenet, and (perhaps most
importantl
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> That said, /48 to the home should be what is happening, and /56 is
> a better compromise than anything smaller.
Is hierarchical routing within the SOHO network the reason you believe
/48 is useful? You don't really imagine that end-users will
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Alexander Harrowell
wrote:
> Thinking about the CPE thread, isn't this a case for bridging as a
> feature in end-user devices? If Joe's media-centre box etc would bridge
> its downstream ports to the upstream port, the devices on them could
> just get an address, w
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> On 2011-08-10 15:02 , Owen DeLong wrote:
> [..]
>> Why do I want my appliance network's multicast packets getting tossed
>> around on the guest wireless?
>
> Even wikipedia knows the answer to that:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGMP_snooping
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:57:44AM +, Franck Martin wrote:
>> I'm using a GRE IPv4 tunnel between a cisco and linux machines
>> So why Cisco is off by 2 Bytes?
>
> The only GRE options using 2 bytes are GRE checksum and offset. Haven't
>
On 10 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Scott Helms wrote:
> Neither of these are true, though in the future we _might_ have deployable
> technology that allows for automated routing setup (though I very seriously
> doubt it) in the home. Layer 2 isolation is both easier and more reliable
> than attempting
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:57:44AM +, Franck Martin wrote:
> I'm using a GRE IPv4 tunnel between a cisco and linux machines
Can you mail:
IOS:
- sh run int TuX
- sh int TuX | i MTU
- sh ip int TuX | i MTU
Linux:
- output of "/sbin/ip link show greX" (or whatever your GRE interface is
named
Neither of these are true, though in the future we _might_ have
deployable technology that allows for automated routing setup (though I
very seriously doubt it) in the home. Layer 2 isolation is both easier
and more reliable than attempting it at layer 3 which is isolation by
agreement, i.e. i
On Wednesday 10 Aug 2011 14:57:54 Jeroen Massar wrote:
> PS: the more power to your kids if they can sniff the network for your
> 'adult content', decode it, and then actually watch it
Indeed; I'd be more interested in making sure that, say, you can
efficiently multicast the live footy to two di
On 2011-08-10 15:02 , Owen DeLong wrote:
[..]
> Why do I want my appliance network's multicast packets getting tossed
> around on the guest wireless?
Even wikipedia knows the answer to that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGMP_snooping
which is the first hit for IGMP snooping, which is generally a f
>
> Thinking about the CPE thread, isn't this a case for bridging as a
> feature in end-user devices? If Joe's media-centre box etc would bridge
> its downstream ports to the upstream port, the devices on them could
> just get an address, whether by DHCPv6 from the CPE router's delegation
> or
On Monday 08 Aug 2011 22:00:52 Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Mohacsi Janos wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:15:17 +0200, Mohacsi Janos said:
> >>
> >>> - Home users - they usually don't know what is su
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