Coloc at Equinix Singapor

2011-12-15 Thread Olivier CALVANO
Hi We search a colocation at Equinix Singapore: 1/4 Rack with in option 1/2 Rack. anyone know of a company that offers this service ? Cordialy Olivier

Re: /128 IPv6 prefixs in the wild?

2011-12-15 Thread Owen DeLong
You'll still probably carry the /128 loopbacks in your IGP to deal with your iBGP mesh. Owen On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Glen Kent wrote: Hi, In the service provider networks, would we usually see a large number of /128 prefixs in the v6 FIB tables? In an IP/MPLS world, core routers

Re: Range using single-mode SFPs across multi-mode fiber

2011-12-15 Thread Oliver Rothschild
Some idiot jumpered runs that existed between 3 different buildings. That person did not know about the 550m limit that we also follow. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2011, at 22:38, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: 2011/12/14 oliver rothschild orothsch...@gmail.com

RE: Multiple ISP Load Balancing

2011-12-15 Thread Drew Weaver
This is why I wish they would release it as open source or sell it to someone else, the product really did work well, the kernel in the underlying Linux is the biggest hurdle. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Rampley Jr, Jim F [mailto:jim.ramp...@chartercom.com] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: Range using single-mode SFPs across multi-mode fiber

2011-12-15 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Keegan Holley wrote: 2011/12/14 oliver rothschild orothsch...@gmail.com How did you end up with a MM run this long? SX optics are only rated at 500 meters at best. Even with mode conditioning jumpers more the 1km is a risk. I'm glad it held up during testing though.

RE: /128 IPv6 prefixes in the wild?

2011-12-15 Thread Brian Johnson
I think you will learn a lot of /128s from IGP, but not from eBGP. I consider the wild to be the DFZ or similar type of network and in that case, you should not see advertisements for anything longer than a /48. This is not hard and fast, but please correct me if I'm wrong. - Brian J.

Is AS information useful for security?

2011-12-15 Thread Joe Loiacono
Is a good knowledge of either origin-AS, or next-AS with respect to flows valuable in establishing, monitoring, or re-enforcing a security posture? In what ways? TIA, Joe

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, David Conrad wrote: I'm confused. When justifying 'need' in an address allocation request, what difference does it make whether an address in use was allocated by an RIR or was squatted upon? Last I heard, renumbering out of (say) RFC 1918 space into public space was

Re: /128 IPv6 prefixs in the wild?

2011-12-15 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, Glen Kent wrote: In the service provider networks, would we usually see a large number of /128 prefixs in the v6 FIB tables? If you have /128s on the loopbacks of your routers, your other routers could learn the /128s for the loopbacks of your other routers through your

Re: /128 IPv6 prefixs in the wild?

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:24:56AM +0530, Glen Kent wrote: What are the scenarios when IPv6 routers would learn a large number of /128 prefixes? In addition to the loopback interfaces already mentioned, you may also see virtual addresses of several kinds. For instance an

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 02:24:13AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote: I always assumed that taking in more traffic was a bad thing. I've heard about one sided peering agreements where one side is sending more traffic than the other needs them to transport. Am I missing

Re: Is AS information useful for security?

2011-12-15 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, Joe Loiacono wrote: Is a good knowledge of either origin-AS, or next-AS with respect to flows valuable in establishing, monitoring, or re-enforcing a security posture? In what ways? If I'm understanding your question correctly, I think it can be helpful, to a degree.

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Bryan Fields
On 12/15/2011 09:07, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I tend to think of squatting in the sense of using a resource (could be an IP address block, could be an empty house, could be just about anything) that the person who is using it does not have permission to do so. I would think that

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 12/14/2011 11:14 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:47 PM, David Conradd...@virtualized.org wrote: [snip] I'm confused. When justifying 'need' in an address allocation request, what difference does it makewhether an address in use was allocated by an RIR or was squatted upon?

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:42:40 PST, Matthew Kaufman said: Here's a simple one involving squat space: You have a network that internally is using *all* of 10.0.0.0/8 *and* 5.0.0.0/8 (because you have enough customers to fill two /8s). Now that 5.0.0.0/8 is being allocated, you need to move out

Re: /128 IPv6 prefixes in the wild?

2011-12-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, December 15, 2011 09:56:04 PM Brian Johnson wrote: I think you will learn a lot of /128s from IGP, but not from eBGP. I consider the wild to be the DFZ or similar type of network and in that case, you should not see advertisements for anything longer than a /48. This is not

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:42:37 PM Leo Bicknell wrote: However, there may be a simpler explanation. If you bill by the bit as a transit provider it's in your best interest to make sure your customer gets as many bits through you as possible. Plus if you can fill their pipe, they

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread David Conrad
Jimmy, On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:14 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: A RFC1918 network is not a normal network; and this is not a renumbering in the same manner as a renumbering from public IP space to new public IP space. I'll admit I haven't been following ARIN policy making for some time. Can you

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread David Conrad
On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, David Conrad wrote: I'm confused. When justifying 'need' in an address allocation request, what difference does it make whether an address in use was allocated by an RIR or was squatted upon? Last I heard,

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-15 Thread Keegan Holley
2011/12/15 Mark Tinka mti...@globaltransit.net On Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:42:37 PM Leo Bicknell wrote: However, there may be a simpler explanation. If you bill by the bit as a transit provider it's in your best interest to make sure your customer gets as many bits through you

RE: Is AS information useful for security?

2011-12-15 Thread Drew Weaver
-Original Message- From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:45 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Is AS information useful for security? origin-AS could be another story. If you know of an AS that is being used by the bad guys for

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, December 16, 2011 12:27:48 AM Keegan Holley wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but are connections between ISP's normally billed by the bit? I'm a transit AS but not an ISP in the traditional sense, so I just have the normal monthly billing. Per-bit billing, for us, is not a

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 01:15:48PM -0800, Cameron Byrne wrote: But all I can qualify for is a /18, and then in 3 months maybe a /17. This is called slow start ? For an established business? https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four216 You should be able to get a /16

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 12/15/2011 8:05 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:42:40 PST, Matthew Kaufman said: Here's a simple one involving squat space: You have a network that internally is using *all* of 10.0.0.0/8 *and* 5.0.0.0/8 (because you have enough customers to fill two /8s). Now

Re: Is AS information useful for security?

2011-12-15 Thread Paolo Lucente
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:28:48AM -0500, Drew Weaver wrote: I could be wrong here but I believe origin-AS uses a lookup from the routing table to figure out what the originAS for the source IP should be (and not what it explicitly IS) which means the information is unreliable. Using a bit

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Scott Weeks
--- br...@bryanfields.net wrote: From: Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net Now this gets a lot more fun as we get closer to true IPv4 exhaustion. If there is a business case between two or more providers to side step a RIR process and recognize IP allocations that the RIR does not, who really

RE: Range using single-mode SFPs across multi-mode fiber

2011-12-15 Thread Holmes,David A
The max limit for 100 base FX (100 Mbps Ethernet) is around 6600 feet. Many campus ductbank systems built in the 1990s when 10 and 100 Mbps Ethernet were the commodity speeds (before GiGE) used 62.5/125 MM fiber to connect buildings. It is not unusual to see long MM runs on campus facilities

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:05 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:42:40 PST, Matthew Kaufman said: Here's a simple one involving squat space: You have a network that internally is using *all* of 10.0.0.0/8

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:42:40 -0500, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: Now that 5.0.0.0/8 is being allocated, you need to move out of it (so that your users can reach the real 5.0.0.0/8 sites). Why wouldn't this be sufficient justification for a new /8 from ARIN? Because it's not

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-15 Thread Joe Malcolm
Jeff Wheeler writes: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: Had in interesting conversation with a transit AS on behalf of a customer where I found out they are using communities to raise the local preference That sounds like a disreputable practice.

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread David Conrad
On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: Because it's not ARIN's job to clean up someone else's stupid. ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register addresses according to community-defined documented

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:36:32PM -0800, David Conrad wrote: ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register addresses according to community-defined documented policies. I had thought new

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/15/11 13:43 , Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:36:32PM -0800, David Conrad wrote: ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register addresses according to

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: We know rather alot about the original posters' business, it has ~34 million wireless subscribers in north america. I think it's safe to assume that adequate docuementation could be provided. I missed the post where he

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 15-Dec-11 15:54, Joel jaeggli wrote: On 12/15/11 13:43 , Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:36:32PM -0800, David Conrad wrote: ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:36:32 -0500, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: ... I had thought new allocations are based on demonstrated need. The fact that addresses are in use would seem to suggest they're needed. That depends on how you see their demontrated need. The way I look at it,

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:54:28PM -0800, Joel jaeggli wrote: We know rather alot about the original posters' business, it has ~34 million wireless subscribers in north america. I think it's safe to assume that adequate docuementation could be provided. As I suspect there

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 12/15/2011 2:32 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: It would only take a couple of these sorts of requests and the free pool is gone. Personally, I can't wait. Matthew Kaufman

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:32:17 PST, Leo Bicknell said: 80% effiency that would require ~2.5 /8's worth of space. It would only take a couple of these sorts of requests and the free pool is gone. /me makes some popcorn. This could be fun. pgpCZOCgqbO2T.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/15/11 14:12 , Jeff Wheeler wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: We know rather alot about the original posters' business, it has ~34 million wireless subscribers in north america. I think it's safe to assume that adequate docuementation could be

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 15-Dec-11 16:31, Ricky Beam wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:36:32 -0500, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: ... I had thought new allocations are based on demonstrated need. The fact that addresses are in use would seem to suggest they're needed. That depends on how you see their

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Dec 15, 2011 6:43 PM, Stephen Sprunk step...@sprunk.org wrote: On 15-Dec-11 16:31, Ricky Beam wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:36:32 -0500, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: ... I had thought new allocations are based on demonstrated need. The fact that addresses are in use would

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:59:15PM -0800, Cameron Byrne wrote: Regarding this thread in general, I asked a question about slow start and got a good answer about immediate need. Thanks ! Note that the slow-start is not based on size (as far as I can remember) but on

Re: Is AS information useful for security?

2011-12-15 Thread Eric
It's useful in terms of remediation as it can help identify through which door packets entered your network. Though, as others will undoubtedly point out, it's trustworthiness will depend upon how you derive the AS mapping and upon other security features (e.g. uRPF) -- Eric :) On Thu,

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:43:05 -0500, Stephen Sprunk step...@sprunk.org wrote: However, if they actually have the number of hosts claimed, that justifies the space they're asking for. What addresses they're using today is irrelevant. ARIN policy only /suggests/ that they use RFC 1918 space;

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 12/15/11 3:31 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:36:32 -0500, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: ... I had thought new allocations are based on demonstrated need. The fact that addresses are in use would seem to suggest they're needed. That depends on how you see their

[sort of off topic] An Open Letter From Internet Engineers to the U.S. Congress

2011-12-15 Thread Network IP Dog
I wonder how this will go in the USA and what trickle effect it might have on us if Senator Conroy gets wind of it. An Open Letter From Internet Engineers to the U.S. Congress. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/internet-inventors-warn-against-sopa-a nd-pipa Ephesians 4:32 Cheers!!!