Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Ray Soucy
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Tomas Podermanski wrote: > Well, then how many devices do you have in the network that uses IPv6? Good question, and I applaud you for wanting to verify that people talking about IPv6 have legitimate experience deploying it. I dug into the database I log all IPv

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: Leveraging a superior bargaining position to achieve more revenue from a kind of high-risk customer doesn't sound "dishonest" it sounds rational. Why would an agreement be denominated as "1 year maintenance" if it could simply be reins

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Tomas Podermanski wrote: Hi, On 12/21/11 9:40 PM, Ray Soucy wrote: I'm afraid you're about 10 years too late for this opinion to make much difference. ;-) My opinion is that there is never too late to make thinks easier to implement and operate, specially in situation

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Tomas Podermanski wrote: Hi, On 12/22/11 12:04 AM, Michael Sinatra wrote: On 12/21/11 12:40, Ray Soucy wrote: I'm afraid you're about 10 years too late for this opinion to make much difference. ;-) We have been running IPv6 in production for several years (2008) as we

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Tomas Podermanski wrote: Hi, from my perspective the short answer for this never-ending story is: - SLAAC/RA is totally useless, does not bring any benefit at all and should be removed from IPv6 specs - DHCPv6 should be extended by route options as proposed in http://

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Owen DeLong
Sent from my iPad On Dec 23, 2011, at 3:46 AM, Tomas Podermanski wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/22/11 12:18 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> The long answer is: >>> >>> I completely disagree with opinion that both DHCPv6 and RA (SLAAC) >>> should be supported. It is easy to say that both have place but it

Re: what if...?

2011-12-22 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> Does your Mom call you up every time she gets a dialog box complaining >> about an invalid certificate ? >> If she has been conditioned just to click "OK" when that happens, then >> she probably can't. > > Everyone

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Glen Kent wrote: > While in some environments, typically with small number of devices, > its indispensable. Small businesses may not want the complexity of > setting up a central server (for DHCP) - SLAAC works very well in such > environments. IPv6 routers are the central servers for SLAAC with

Re: what if...?

2011-12-22 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Marshall Eubanks wrote: Does your Mom call you up every time she gets a dialog box complaining about an invalid certificate ? If she has been conditioned just to click "OK" when that happens, then she probably can't. Everyone I have observed clicks "ok" or "confirm exception" (if I remember t

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Ryan Pavely
If anyone needs a per-compiled iPerf.exe, no need for cygwin libraries, lemme know. It's a great tool! Ryan Pavely Director Research And Development Net Access Corporation http://www.nac.net/ On 12/22/2011 3:20 PM, Larry Blunk wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:36 PM, Sean Harlow wrote: iper

RE: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Eric J Esslinger
The vmware image is more expensive than the midrange hardware. (and you pay for how many processors it will use, ram, features like multi domain support, etc...) __ Eric Esslinger Information Services Manager - Fayetteville Public Utilities http://www.fpu-tn.com/ (931)43

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 22 December 2011 14:07, Jon Lewis wrote: > Presumably, Barracuda's hardware is i386/i686 compatible commodity parts. > It's probably not at all "useless". Just attach a USB DVD drive or USB > flash drive, wipe the disk(s) and install your favorite Linux distro. > It may take some doing to get

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/22/2011 04:48, Glen Kent wrote: >> In many environments RA is a catastrophic disaster. Some operators need >> to be able to do everything with RA turned off on routers, disabled on >> hosts and filtered on switches. > > While in some environments, typically with small number of devices, > it

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Tomas Podermanski
Hi, On 12/22/11 12:18 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> The long answer is: >> >> I completely disagree with opinion that both DHCPv6 and RA (SLAAC) >> should be supported. It is easy to say that both have place but it has >> some consequences. I and my colleagues have been working on deploying >> IPv6 fo

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:04:42 +0100, Tomas Podermanski said: > Well, then how many devices do you have in the network that uses IPv6? 1,300+ wireless access points, 1,100+ switches, 30k+ users, around 55% doing at least some IPv6 traffic (mostly when they hit Google). > Do you have implemented fi

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Larry Blunk
On 12/22/2011 02:36 PM, Sean Harlow wrote: iperf might be able to do what you need and there are Windows builds available, but I'm not sure if it has a mode where it's not flooding the network trying to test maximum speed. Is there a reason that standard ICMP pings aren't appropriate if you j

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Mark Foster
I can imagine plenty of circumstances where someone might want by-protocol indications of service, rather than the relatively basic link-test that ICMP provides. Another vote for iperf Mark. On 23/12/11 08:36, Sean Harlow wrote: > iperf might be able to do what you need and there are Windo

Re: Help with quagga BGP config for ipv6 route-server

2011-12-22 Thread David Waitzman
My IPv4 and IPv6 BGP connections now get prefixes. My thanks to those who answered on and off the list. My revised config is like: --- router bgp MYAS no bgp enforce-first-as no bgp default ipv4-unicast network MYIPv4NET route-map SetAttr neighbor PEERIPv6 remote-as RSAS

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Tomas Podermanski
Hi, On 12/22/11 12:04 AM, Michael Sinatra wrote: > On 12/21/11 12:40, Ray Soucy wrote: >> I'm afraid you're about 10 years too late for this opinion to make >> much difference. ;-) >> >> We have been running IPv6 in production for several years (2008) as >> well (answering this email over IPv6 now

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Tomas Podermanski
Hi, On 12/21/11 9:40 PM, Ray Soucy wrote: > I'm afraid you're about 10 years too late for this opinion to make > much difference. ;-) My opinion is that there is never too late to make thinks easier to implement and operate, specially in situation when things are unnecessary complicated. I do not

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Sean Harlow
iperf might be able to do what you need and there are Windows builds available, but I'm not sure if it has a mode where it's not flooding the network trying to test maximum speed. Is there a reason that standard ICMP pings aren't appropriate if you just want packet loss info? Obviously every p

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Daniel Rohan
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jay Nakamura wrote: > The goal of what I am doing is to test some network convergence impact > in a lab with two PCs with windows (Can't run Linux, it would be > easier if I could) and switches and/or routers in between. > > So, I thought there must be some simpl

Re: Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread james machado
d-itg works very well. http://www.grid.unina.it/software/ITG/index.php you can create reports of loss/jitter etc. windows and qos don't work so don't try setting qos values as they will just be reset to 0 by the windows tcp/ip stack. james

Windows UDP packet generator software?

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Nakamura
The goal of what I am doing is to test some network convergence impact in a lab with two PCs with windows (Can't run Linux, it would be easier if I could) and switches and/or routers in between. So, I thought there must be some simple utility out there that can just start spewing out UDP packets t

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/22/2011 11:07 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Michael Thomas wrote: At that point why should they sell iron at all? Seems like you get all of the downside of owning the iron, and all of the downside of paying for a cloud based service. Either you own what you own, or you pay for

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Michael Thomas wrote: At that point why should they sell iron at all? Seems like you get all of the downside of owning the iron, and all of the downside of paying for a cloud based service. Either you own what you own, or you pay for service that somebody else provides. This

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > At that point why should they sell iron at all? Seems like you get > all of the downside of owning the iron, and all of the downside of > paying for a cloud based service. Either you own what you own, > or you p

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/22/2011 10:47 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:26:56PM -0600, PC wrote: This particular product is often used by the SMB types. This changes things a bit. While I disagree with paying for signature updates you didn't use (It's a service, and I don't

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:26:56PM -0600, PC wrote: > This particular product is often used by the SMB types. This changes > things a bit. While I disagree with paying for signature updates you > didn't use (It's a service, and I don't care about their fixed costs, I > went i

RE: bgp update destroying transit on redback routers ?

2011-12-22 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Olivier, Thanks! We've done our best to provide the fix ASAP. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: Olivier Benghozi [mailto:olivier.bengh...@wifirst.fr] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:20 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: Alexandre Snarskii; Jeff Tantsura Subject: Re: bgp update destroyin

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread PC
This particular product is often used by the SMB types. This changes things a bit. While I disagree with paying for signature updates you didn't use (It's a service, and I don't care about their fixed costs, I went into it knowing I'd have a license for the signatures as they were expired), I do

Re: Well Lookie Here, Barracuda Networks tries to get me to fall into their trap again...

2011-12-22 Thread James M Keller
On 12/21/2011 3:22 PM, David Swafford wrote: > In my position within the enterprise vertical, backdating to the > expiration (not the payment date) seems to be the norm. Cisco does > this on SmartNet, as does SolarWinds and a number of other vendors > I've worked with. We don't typically slip on

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread James M Keller
On 12/21/2011 11:28 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Ravi Duggal wrote: >> We thus have draft-droms-dhc-dhcpv6-default-router-00 that extends >> DHCPv6 to do what RA does. And now, we have >> draft-bcd-6man-ntp-server-ra-opt-00.txt that extends RA to advertise >> the NT

Help with quagga BGP config for ipv6 route-server

2011-12-22 Thread David Waitzman
I am trying to set up BGP peering with a route-server, concurrently dual-stack. BGP 4 over an IPv4 connection works fine. A separate BGP 6 over IPv6 fails: with an "[Error] No common capability". I am using quagga 0.99.20 on ubuntu 10.04.03. I don't know what the route-server is. I have t

Re: bgp update destroying transit on redback routers ?

2011-12-22 Thread Olivier Benghozi
Aha, it looks that our Quebecer friends from Hostlogistic (AS46609) have again been advertising their now famous funny aggregate with their mad Brocade router, since yesterday 10pm UTC (that is 5pm in Quebec)... Same route to 206.125.164.0/22, same AGGREGATOR attribute full of 0. At least I can

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-22 Thread Glen Kent
> In many environments RA is a catastrophic disaster. Some operators need > to be able to do everything with RA turned off on routers, disabled on > hosts and filtered on switches. While in some environments, typically with small number of devices, its indispensable. Small businesses may not want