On Aug 3, 2012, at 21:05 , Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote:
I was thinking about End User in a sense of one to simply consume a product
or a service offered by a service provider. However, I should have left room
for those that are assigned GUA space by a service provider and
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:52:53AM -1000, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were, not
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:31:06PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
You MIGHT have paid some other organization for the privilege of transferring
part or all of their registration rights to you.
But in no case did you pay for the addresses themselves unless you are silly
enough to think that a
Once upon a time, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com said:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. And it
doesn't pay to put a
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:52:53AM -1000, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not
On 8/3/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
it is the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to
promote a global Internet free from government control.
Now if they would only practice what they preach.
[Feels operational to me.]
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Besides, where do you think you're going to get gasoline in a
wide-spread extended power failure? Few gas stations have generators,
and even if they do, they'll sell out of gas quickly. That distribution
system also needs
On 4 August 2012 04:07, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
As someone else posted, many FTTH installations are centralized as much as
possible to avoid having non-passive equipment in the plant, allowing for
the practicality of onsite generators. That's what we do. But for those
who have
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 8/3/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
it is the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to
promote a global Internet free from government control.
Now if they would only practice what they preach.
It will be
On 8/4/12, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:31:06PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
onboard (as most smartphones and tablets do).
24 + 24 + 16 bits are just enough to represent
a decent-resolution WGS84 position fix. Plus,
GPS gives you a pretty accurate clock.
Yes,
Once upon a time, William Herrin b...@herrin.us said:
I managed to get gasoline for my generator. I had to drive upwards of
5 miles and pass as many as 7 closed stations to get it. But it was
available and if I'd planned better with respect to containers to
carry it in I'd have had zero
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 10:59:09AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 8/4/12, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:31:06PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
onboard (as most smartphones and tablets do).
24 + 24 + 16 bits are just enough to represent
a decent-resolution WGS84
On 8/4/12, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
long-haul fiber all stayed up. Most of the other problems were because
of the power failure (some local fiber rings dropped, especially one
CLEC's that puts their nodes in customer premises and were broken by
customers' power failures).
[snip]
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Well, in North Alabama in April 2011, we had to drive a lot more than 5
miles (unless you left a 0 off the end). Across the Tennessee state
line (a good bit north of it) they had power, but they quickly ran out
of gas (and
On 04/08/2012 16:55, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote:
it is the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to
promote a global Internet free from government control.
Now if they would only practice what they preach.
It will be interesting to
On Aug 4, 2012, at 03:01 , Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:31:06PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
You MIGHT have paid some other organization for the privilege of
transferring part or all of their registration rights to you.
But in no case did you pay for the
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 04/08/2012 16:55, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote:
it is the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to
promote a global Internet free from government control.
Now if they
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 10:31:02AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
IPv6 missed a great chance of doing away with all the
central waterfall trickle-down space distribution.
There was no need to fix what wasn't broken.
Let's say I want to plunk down a zero-administration
node somewhere, as an
On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 04/08/2012 16:55, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote:
it is the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to
promote a global Internet free from government control.
Now if they
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On 8/4/12 8:44 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
On 4 August 2012 04:07, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
As someone else posted, many FTTH installations are centralized as much as
possible to avoid having non-passive equipment in the plant, allowing for
the practicality of onsite generators. That's
On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:41 , Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 10:31:02AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
IPv6 missed a great chance of doing away with all the
central waterfall trickle-down space distribution.
There was no need to fix what wasn't broken.
Let's say
Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the owners
get. I can assure you that infrastructure that really *is* critical do have
their own generators and receive priority attention from the service
providers.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: William Herrin
Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the owners get.
911 access isn't a critical service? Fire and security panels aren't critical
services?
If basic life safety and property protection aren't critical services, I'm not
sure what is. These are peoples' lives and
Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 are legally
required to help you in most North American jurisdictions (i.e. if you call
911 and the police don't respond until they finish eating their box of donuts,
they're not criminally or civilly liable), having working
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Andy Koch gawu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:56, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
100 miles isn't a serious logistics problem with 500 gallons of fuel
tank in the bed of a pickup truck. That buys you 8-12 hours for 100
fiber huts with $500
I've never met a dog properly trained in ACLS and I'm pretty sure that a gun
isn't even useful for BLS.
Owen
On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Peter Kristolaitis alte...@alter3d.ca wrote:
Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 are
legally required to help you in most
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mike Jones m...@mikejones.in wrote:
If only they had some kind of copper cabling running from some kind of
central location [...] (poor power distribution
efficiency would probably stop you wanting to power it that way all
the time).
I imagine the problem
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