Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch

2014-10-20 Thread Randy Bush
systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would know better. sigh. vmlinux.el here we come! randy

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > > On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > >> Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not”. > > Eh. Off the top of my head, I see two categories of breakage: > > 1) things that hard-code a list of “real” T

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Oct 20, 2014 11:54 PM, "Doug Barton" wrote: > > On 10/20/14 4:07 PM, shawn wilson wrote: >> >> >> Do we really have any prior examples that are even .1 the size of the >> usgov public system? Again, I'm not just referring to BIND and Windows >> DNS (and probably some Netware 4 etc stuff) - thi

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Barry Shein
Not that anyone is looking for a solution but I suppose one possible solution would be to use the two-letter cctld then gov like parliament.uk.gov or parliament.ca.gov etc. No doubt there would be some collisions but probably not too serious. -- -Barry Shein The World | b

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Ankit Agrawal
Hi Guys, Not sure if this got posted before as I didn't see it come in my Inbox. Have you heard of Saisei (www.saisei.com)? They have a very good product that allows you to do this and much more in a virtualised environment. The software solution allows for very small to very large scale deplo

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Carlos Alcantar
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Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
i won't comment on your experience, having no direct knowledge. why you comment on mine is uninteresting. -e On 10/20/14 9:03 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 10/20/14 7:47 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: having written the technical portion of winning proposal to ntia for the .us zone, i differ.

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Мурат Каипов wrote: > Hello Guys. > What about DPI solutions? We use Cisco SCE8000 for traffic policing and > billing purposes. Also, as we in MNO market we use PCRF tools too. > > Cisco SCE8000 or even smaller boxes are pretty expensive and then require coup

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Rafael Possamai
Hello, I never used it. I always get a fresh install of FreeBSD and configure it from scratch so that it doesn't have all of the overhead from pfSense... Downside is that you have to configure it all by hand, but when all you need is one or two features, I prefer to do that instead. I usually go w

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Мурат Каипов
Hello Guys. What about DPI solutions? We use Cisco SCE8000 for traffic policing and billing purposes. Also, as we in MNO market we use PCRF tools too. Regards. 21 Окт 2014 г. 6:41 пользователь "Alex Nderitu" написал: > Not sure if Allot has GA on the virtual appliances but they did a demo > earli

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Ankit Agrawal
Hi Skeeve, Have you heard of Saisei (www.saisei.com)? They have a very good product that allows you to do this and much more in a virtualised environment. The software solution allows for very small to very large scale deployments and has a RESTful API for easy integration with your applicatio

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/20/14 7:47 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: having written the technical portion of winning proposal to ntia for the .us zone, i differ. The plan I outlined was discussed about 2 years after Neustar took over management, and TMK was never actually discussed with Neustar. as i recall,

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/20/14 6:30 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: | | On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jared Mauch | wrote: | |> Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not”. | | Eh. Off the top of my head, I see two categories of breakage: | | 1) things th

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/20/14 4:07 PM, shawn wilson wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: 3. Set a target date for the removal of those TLDs for 10 years in the future Because this worked for IPv6? Actually it worked really well for IPv6 in USG-space. It also mostly worked for DNSSEC.

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
Em segunda-feira, 20 de outubro de 2014, Rafael Possamai escreveu: > Yes, pfSense can be virtualized. I did it once with VMWare to create a > site2site tunnel, although I used Workstation 10 on Windows7 rather than > the bare metal ESXi, but I wouldn't expect any changes. > > What you think about

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
having written the technical portion of winning proposal to ntia for the .us zone, i differ. as i recall, having done the research, in the year prior to the ntia's tender some six people held some 40% of the major metro area subordinate namespaces. to my chagrin, relieved by a notice of termin

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Alex Nderitu
Not sure if Allot has GA on the virtual appliances but they did a demo earlier this month http://www.allot.com/index.aspx?id=3797&itemID=158923 On 21 Oct 2014 00:37, "Skeeve Stevens" wrote: What I'd really love is a vAppliance. Some of these hardware solutions are VERY expensive for offering o

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
at ietf-9 jon and i discussed the problem solved (scaling of the zone editor function as the price of network interfaces dropped by orders of magnitude) by reliance upon iso3166-1, and the problems created by reliance upon iso3166-1. the economic success of .cat (unique among the icann 1st and

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , shawn wilson writes: > On Oct 20, 2014 9:33 PM, "Bill Woodcock" wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > > > Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not”. > > > > Eh. Off the top of my head, I see two categories of breakage: > >

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:09:11 -0400, shawn wilson said: > There's probably also a legal issue 1here. You can't make it so that > someone can't communicate with their elected official. You might want to actually surf over to house.gov and start looking at how many totally broken pages are there. E

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread David Conrad
Jared, On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not". Beyond challenges caused by https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-collision-2013-12-06-en, is there something new TLDs is breaking? (Serious question) Thanks, -drc

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Oct 20, 2014 9:33 PM, "Bill Woodcock" wrote: > > > On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not”. > > Eh. Off the top of my head, I see two categories of breakage: > >1) things that hard-code a list of “real” TLDs, and

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not”. Eh. Off the top of my head, I see two categories of breakage: 1) things that hard-code a list of “real” TLDs, and break when their expectations aren’t met, and 2) things

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Jared Mauch
Breaking tons of things is an interesting opinion of "why not". Jared Mauch > On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > Equally, no reason not to.

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch

2014-10-20 Thread Ca By
On Monday, October 20, 2014, Israel G. Lugo wrote: > Hi, > > Not intending to start a flame war here. I have been referred to the > website below, and believe they certainly raise some valid concerns. > > http://www.debianfork.org/ > > If you have the time, please take a moment to read over the t

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:09 AM, manning bill wrote: > there was/is near zero reason to technically extend/expand the number of TLDs. Equally, no reason not to. > On 20October2014Monday, at 12:19, Sandra Murphy wrote: > >> By the time of RFC1591, March 1994, authored by Jon Postel, said: >> >> G

Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch

2014-10-20 Thread Israel G. Lugo
Hi, Not intending to start a flame war here. I have been referred to the website below, and believe they certainly raise some valid concerns. http://www.debianfork.org/ If you have the time, please take a moment to read over the text, and follow a few links. I am quoting the first few paragraphs

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Tomas Lynch
Spanish speaking countries .gob.$2lettercodecountry. No problem so far. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message > > , shawn wilson writes: >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> >> > 3. Set a target date for the removal of those TLDs for 10 years

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , shawn wilson writes: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > > 3. Set a target date for the removal of those TLDs for 10 years in the > > future > > Because this worked for IPv6? Well there wasn't a target date set for the change to IPv6 and it is starting to ha

RE: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc)
I remember asking this same question when I first started managing DNS records in the early 1990s. Being young and unencumbered by "it's always been done this way" thinking I believed that it would only be a few years of transition and .mil/.gov would be pushed to the history books. Now I'm ol

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > 3. Set a target date for the removal of those TLDs for 10 years in the > future > Because this worked for IPv6? > Obviously there are various implementation details for effecting the move, > but application-layer stuff will be as obvious to

Tinet on strike?

2014-10-20 Thread Adam Rothschild
Provided without commentary, in case this impacts some operations: https://www.facebook.com/Tinetworkers/ https://twitter.com/TinetStrike/with_replies

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM, wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:45:44 -0400, shawn wilson said: > >> 3. I don't want to see the report on how many Allaire ColdFusion with >> NT 3.5 .gov sites are out there >> >> any other reasons not to do this? Maybe, but here's the real >> question - why

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/20/2014 17:09, manning bill wrote: FNC “reserved” .gov and .mil for the US. And Postel was right… there was/is near zero reason to technically extend/expand the number of TLDs. It appears to this outsider that Postel and others never understood at all that the sole purpose and destiny o

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/19/14 5:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: Wondering if some of the long-time list members can shed some light on the question--why is the .gov top level domain only for use by US government agencies? Where do other world powers put their government agency domains? ... I think these questions

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread manning bill
FNC “reserved” .gov and .mil for the US. And Postel was right… there was/is near zero reason to technically extend/expand the number of TLDs. /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 20October2014Monday, at 12:19, Sandra Murphy wrote: > By the time of RFC1591, March 1994, a

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Rafael Possamai
Yes, pfSense can be virtualized. I did it once with VMWare to create a site2site tunnel, although I used Workstation 10 on Windows7 rather than the bare metal ESXi, but I wouldn't expect any changes. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Skeeve Stevens < skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com> wrote: >

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Skeeve Stevens
What I'd really love is a vAppliance. Some of these hardware solutions are VERY expensive for offering only an average solution. I'd also rather not rely on their hardware, but servers with VMware (or whatever) that we can design our own redundancy. Does anyone know if Allot does a Virtual Appli

RE: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Tony Wicks
>Hey all, > >Just wondering what/if people are using any shaping hardware/appliances >these days, and if so, what. > >I have a client which has thousands of customers on Satellite and needs to >restrict some users who are doing a lot. > >So I wanted to see what the current popular equipment out th

Re: Netgear

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Helms
Eric, You may want to be a little more specific. I know from personal experience that the divisions inside of Netgear (corporate/enterprise, direct to consumer, and service provider) don't work together nor have common infrastructure in many cases. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCoru

Netgear

2014-10-20 Thread Eric C. Miller
Is there anyone from Netgear on this list? If you could contact me off-list, it was be appreciated. Thanks! Eric Miller, CCNP Network Engineering Consultant (407) 257-5115

Re: large BCP38 compliance testing

2014-10-20 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 05/10/14 18:44, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:54 AM, wrote: >> The *real* problem isn't the testing. >> It's the assumption that you can actually *do* anything useful with this >> data. >> Name-n-shame probably won't get us far - and the way the US works, if >> there's a > >

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Sandra Murphy
By the time of RFC1591, March 1994, authored by Jon Postel, said: GOV - This domain was originally intended for any kind of government office or agency. More recently a decision was taken to register only agencies of the US Federal government in this domain. No referen

Softlayer (AS36351) network contact

2014-10-20 Thread Humberto Galiza
Can someone from softlayer/networklayer contact me off list please. thks, Humberto Galiza

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 01:07:13PM -0400, John Orthoefer wrote: > People don’t use in-addr.arpa anymore? ;) Hadn't you noticed how bad the reverse mapping maintenance is? A -- Andrew Sullivan Dyn, Inc. asulli...@dyn.com v: +1 603 663 0448

Re: GApps admin = rogered

2014-10-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/9/14 6:46 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: For me and any others here in the "F" row, a question about the use and meaning and implication of the use of the word "rogered". "F" row indeed :)

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:07 AM, John Orthoefer wrote: > >> On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> >> […] and the older .arpa names quickly fell into disuse. > > > People don’t use in-addr.arpa anymore? ;) > > johno They do use that, of course. But for example they don’t

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread John Orthoefer
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > […] and the older .arpa names quickly fell into disuse. People don’t use in-addr.arpa anymore? ;) johno

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Warren Bailey
I wish marriages worked like that.. ;) Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Bryan Fields Date: 10/20/2014 8:13 AM (GMT-08:00) To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies? On 10/19/14, 8:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: > Wonde

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: > Wondering if some of the long-time list members > can shed some light on the question--why is the > .gov top level domain only for use by US > government agencies? Where do other world > powers put their government agency domains? > > With t

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:45:44 -0400, shawn wilson said: > 3. I don't want to see the report on how many Allaire ColdFusion with > NT 3.5 .gov sites are out there > > any other reasons not to do this? Maybe, but here's the real > question - why in the hell would we want to do this? See your po

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Bryan Fields
On 10/19/14, 8:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: > Wondering if some of the long-time list members > can shed some light on the question--why is the > .gov top level domain only for use by US > government agencies? Where do other world > powers put their government agency domains? > > With the excepti

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > On 10/20/2014 07:20 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:58:01 -0400, shawn wilson said: >> >>> Bad idea. I'm betting we'd find half of gov web sites down due to not being >>> able to reboot and issues in old coldf

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 10/20/2014 07:20 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:58:01 -0400, shawn wilson said: > >> Bad idea. I'm betting we'd find half of gov web sites down due to not being >> able to reboot and issues in old coldfusion and IIS and the like (and >> needing to fix static links a

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM, wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:58:01 -0400, shawn wilson said: > >> Bad idea. I'm betting we'd find half of gov web sites down due to not being >> able to reboot and issues in old coldfusion and IIS and the like (and >> needing to fix static links and testing et

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:58:01 -0400, shawn wilson said: > Bad idea. I'm betting we'd find half of gov web sites down due to not being > able to reboot and issues in old coldfusion and IIS and the like (and > needing to fix static links and testing etc). You say that like it's a bad thing pgp

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Rob Seastrom
Nick Hilliard writes: > On 19/10/2014 13:05, Matthew Petach wrote: >> Would love to get any info about the history >> of the decision to make it US-only. > > incidentally, why does the .gov SOA list usadotgov.net in its SOA? The web > site for the domain looks like it's copied from drjanicepost

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread ITechGeek
The name of the game is you create it, you set your own rules. The United States Gov't was involved w/ the Internet before people thought about it being more than just a US gov't system. As far as the SOA, someone probably copied and pasted another SOA not really knowing what they were doing (or

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Skeeve Stevens
I know and feel the same way Roland. Just trying to figure out the best way to get these users with a scare resource under control. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ;

RE: Keeping Track of Data Usage in GB Per Port

2014-10-20 Thread Frank Bulk
For GPON and Ethernet it's just SNMP counters. Frank -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:35 PM To: Livingood, Jason Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Keeping Track of Data Usage in GB Per Port So it looks like DO

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Nurul Islam Roman
Used following two product to shape traffic on packet level (L3). Had no issue with several thousand customer. Allot http://www.allot.com/netenforcer.html ET http://www.etinc.com/ Found "Allot" is very popular for satellite based Internet specially in south pacific island countries. -R On

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 20/10/2014 11:12, Roland Dobbins wrote: > Is QoS in the network infrastructure coupled with strictly-enforced quotas > insufficient to needs? for satellite, no. > These permanently-inline boxes and blades that dork around with general > Internet traffic to/from eyeball networks can be a suppor

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/10/2014 13:05, Matthew Petach wrote: > Would love to get any info about the history > of the decision to make it US-only. incidentally, why does the .gov SOA list usadotgov.net in its SOA? The web site for the domain looks like it's copied from drjanicepostal.com. Has USGOV decided to open

Re: ISP Shaping Hardware

2014-10-20 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Skeeve Stevens < skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com> wrote: I have a client which has thousands of customers on Satellite and needs to restrict some users who are doing a lot. Is QoS in the network infrastructure coupled with strictly-enforced quotas insufficient t

Re: Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

2014-10-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Oct 19, 2014 9:53 AM, "Mike." wrote: > > > I'd rather see .gov (and by implication, .edu) usage phased out and > replaced by country-specific domain names (e.g. fed.us). > > imo, the better way to fix an anachronism is not to bend the rules so > the offenders are not so offensive, but to bring