Re: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Joe Greco
> Yes, and no. > > If you are a given a limited resource (in this case, a physical port that > can process no more than 1gbps for example) and your efficiency in > transferring data over that port is not 100%, the provider itself is not to > blame. Each and every protocol has limitations, and in t

RE: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread David Hofstee
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] Namens Joe Greco Verzonden: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:02 PM Aan: Rafael Possamai CC: keith tokash; nanog@nanog.org Onderwerp: Re: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee? ... >> A silly example would be this: you fill you

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Re: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Jeff Sorrels
And if you look at it from the provider's prospective, they have lots of customers who want 12 gallons of gas worth of driving time, but only want to pay for 11 gallons (or worse, went to "gasspeedtest.net" and it showed their purchased gas only gave them 10 gallons worth of driving time). Con

RE: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Bacon, Ricky (RJ)
>That *is* a silly example. > >A more proper analogy would be that you buy 12 gallons of gas, but the >station only deposits 11 gallons in your tank because the pumps are operated >by gasoline engines and they feel it is fine to count the number of gallons >pulled out of their tank instead of

RE: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
If you're selling to end users, under promise and over deliver. Tell them 20Mbit but provision for 25. That way when they run their speedtest, they're delighted that they're getting more, instead of being disappointed and feeling screwed. In practice they will leave it idle most of the time anyw

Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Tim Howe
In the recent past, we've had another provider in our same market erroneously advertising prefixes for some of our customers. After we got it cleared up, I noticed that there were some old route objects in RADB that were entered for that provider years ago by 360. These route objects, in

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:34:23AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: > I've since found a disturbing number of defunct objects that > relate to my customers (and me) in a similar way, and I have mostly > had success in getting them cleared up. If my relatively small > customer base is any indication, t

Weekly Routing Table Report

2014-10-31 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.ap

Re: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Rafael Possamai
I have a feeling this issue only occurs with residential customers, and perhaps small businesses. It is most likely cheaper to over deliver in this case then to maintain a larger call center and support team to attempt to explain end users how TCP has limitations. No two large communication busines

Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread Zachary Frederick
We have been having a problem receiving software releases from our developer. The releases are typically around 1G in size. The developer’s connection is a 100m metro fiber with TW Telecom, our connection is a 25m Comcast Enterprise Fiber. Our traffic graphs show very little utilization of our

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: [snip] > People tend to treat things like IRR (eg: RADB, etc) as a > garbage pit you toss things into and never remove from. So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects and/or changing their system design to ensure that

Re: Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread Pedro Cavaca
On 31 October 2014 18:32, Zachary Frederick wrote: > We have been having a problem receiving software releases from our > developer. The releases are typically around 1G in size. The developer’s > connection is a 100m metro fiber with TW Telecom, our connection is a 25m > Comcast Enterprise Fibe

RE: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Frank Bulk
We get this with wireless carriers -- they ask for quote for a 100 Mbps Ethernet circuit, and then tell us afterwards that it's 100 Mbps of goodput, so we have to size it to 125 Mbps to cover all their one MPLS and two 802.1Q tags and to past the RFC 2544 test at 64-byte frames. Frank -Origin

Re: Industry standard bandwidth guarantee?

2014-10-31 Thread Carlos Alcantar
+1 on this exactly what we do, keeps the calls down. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com On 10/31/14, 9:56 AM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: >If you're selling to end us

Re: Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread John Neiberger
With a max bandwidth of 25 Mbps and a 40ms RTT, the max is more like 14MB/s or 1.75 Mbps. https://www.switch.ch/network/tools/tcp_throughput/index.html?mss=1460&rtt=80&loss=1e-06&bw=25&rtt2=35&win=64&Calculate=Calculate But that's only if either endpoint is stuck at a 64 KB receive window. A quic

Re: Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread Zachary Frederick
I apologize I should have said it starts out about 3 meg max and slows to about 400kpbs for most of the transfer. > On Oct 31, 2014, at 3:27 PM, John Neiberger wrote: > > With a max bandwidth of 25 Mbps and a 40ms RTT, the max is more like 14MB/s > or 1.75 Mbps. > > https://www.switch.ch/n

Re: Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread John Neiberger
Sounds like a combination of packet loss and small TCP receive windows. If you can, grab a packet capture and make sure to get the TCP setup. That should show you what's happening under the hood. Also, I should mention that I totally hosed the units in my first reply. :) That's what I get for hu

Comcast throttling?

2014-10-31 Thread Mark Price
Similar to another thread on the list today, I'm troubleshooting a problem for a customer on Comcast business fiber. Downloading a file from one of our web servers is very slow (~15KByte/sec). mtr looks clean in both directions. I added an IP address on the same server from a different class C o

Re: Comcast Enterprise Fiber Slow Connection Problem from TW Telecom

2014-10-31 Thread Jared Mauch
Recommendations: 1) Use iperf in TCP mode to test the performance 2) use iperf in UDP mode to test the performance This is the best way to quickly triage the issue and determine if it's actual bandwidth issue or something else. It's quite common for variou

Re: Comcast throttling?

2014-10-31 Thread John Neiberger
Replying off-list as requested. John On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Mark Price wrote: > Similar to another thread on the list today, I'm troubleshooting a problem > for a customer on Comcast business fiber. > > Downloading a file from one of our web servers is very slow (~15KByte/sec). > mtr

Re: Comcast throttling?

2014-10-31 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014, Mark Price wrote: Similar to another thread on the list today, I'm troubleshooting a problem for a customer on Comcast business fiber. Downloading a file from one of our web servers is very slow (~15KByte/sec). mtr looks clean in both directions. I added an IP address on t

Re: Comcast throttling?

2014-10-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:41:43 -0400, Mark Price said: > Similar to another thread on the list today, I'm troubleshooting a problem > for a customer on Comcast business fiber. > > Downloading a file from one of our web servers is very slow (~15KByte/sec). I recently hit a similar problem, tracked it

The Cidr Report

2014-10-31 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Oct 31 21:14:13 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2014-10-31 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 23-Oct-14 -to- 30-Oct-14 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS23752 201970 4.6%1655.5 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Intern

Hijacking machine: ASAS201640 / AS200002

2014-10-31 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I don't routinely follow this list, so I'm not sure how much of this is common knowledge already, but... http://blogs.cisco.com/security/talos/help-my-ip-address-has-been-hijacked/ Current route announcements for AS201640: 36.0.56.0/21 probable hijack - China 41.92.206.0/23probable h

Re: Hijacking machine: ASAS201640 / AS200002

2014-10-31 Thread Jima
On 2014-10-31 17:20, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: P.S. If anybody is able to look up _all_ of the route announcements that have been made by AS201640 over the past few months, I for one would definitely like to see those. Hello again, Ronald. I don't know for certain that it's all-inclusive,

Re: Hijacking machine: ASAS201640 / AS200002

2014-10-31 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <54542174.30...@ghostnet.de>, Armin Kneip wrote: >http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net/cgi-bin/generate_as_log?as=201640 >http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net/cgi-bin/generate_as_log?as=22 > >or > >http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS201640&view=2.0 >http://www.cidr-report.org/cg

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Randy Bush
> So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects you might start with a rigorous definition of defunct randy

Route Issue Level3 to GTT - Packet loss & Latency

2014-10-31 Thread Dean Perrine
Hit a strange route issue earlier transiting Level3 network to GTT - Packet Loss & High Latency - caused some interruptions in critical traffic flow. Between Level3 hop 4.68.63.158 and GTT 144.136.105.226 - had a 20ms latency increase and packet loss. After about 1+ hours the route had shifted and

Re: Hijacking machine: ASAS201640 / AS200002

2014-10-31 Thread Rob Mosher
While it's not a thorough list of all announcements, here are nightly snapshots courtesy of http://bgp.he.net AS201640: http://pastebin.com/nvuVbnpn AS22: http://pastebin.com/1JZnWadD -- Rob Mosher Senior Network and Software Engineer Hurricane Electric / AS6939 On 10/31/2014 11:57 PM, Ron