Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/15 9:37 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> Don't squirrels go back to their stash? Could a squirrel get through that >> hole, or were those just a lost stash? > > Eh, if the number of small oak trees I find sprouting in my flower beds > is any indication, the squirrels' brains are smaller than the

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Randy Fischer
Well, y'all probably too young to have read http://www.csmonitor.com/1990/0302/utwain.html - and then it's a bluejay yarn - the woodpeckers hereabout aren't so industrious, I've noticed. -Rand Fischer On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: > Lauren Weinstein shared a pointer

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Chris Hartley said: > At OARNet, the leading cause of aerial fiber outages was squirrels, > followed closely by weather, distantly by angry farmers and once in Akron, > random gunfire... At OSU, the leading cause of fiber outages is squirrels, > followed distantly by fire. What

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:48 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:07:25 -0500, William Herrin said: > >> How about this: when Verizon starts decommissioning its IPv4 >> infrastructure on the basis that IPv6 is widespread enough to no >> longer require the expense of dual-stack, IPv6 will have achi

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 18:07 , William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I guess it depends on your definition of ubiquitous, but to me, when a >> protocol >> has the majority of the deployed addresses, I think it counts for this >> purpose. > > LOL, Owe

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:07:25 -0500, William Herrin said: > How about this: when Verizon starts decommissioning its IPv4 > infrastructure on the basis that IPv6 is widespread enough to no > longer require the expense of dual-stack, IPv6 will have achieved > ubiquity. Using that logic, what does Ve

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I guess it depends on your definition of ubiquitous, but to me, when a > protocol > has the majority of the deployed addresses, I think it counts for this > purpose. LOL, Owen, IPv6 had that with the first /64 ethernet LAN it was used on. H

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 09:39 , William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: >> * William Herrin >> >>> Plan on dual-stacking any network which requires >>> access to IPv4 resources such as the public Internet. >> >> For many folks, that's easier said than do

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Chris Hartley
At OARNet, the leading cause of aerial fiber outages was squirrels, followed closely by weather, distantly by angry farmers and once in Akron, random gunfire... At OSU, the leading cause of fiber outages is squirrels, followed distantly by fire. Somewhere I have a great picture of a squirrel gnaw

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 07:51 , William Herrin wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Eric Louie wrote: >> I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: >> /48 for customers universally and uniformly > > Hi Eric, > > Good luck with that. Personally, I'd be inclin

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 07:12 , Karsten Elfenbein > wrote: > > Hi, > > 2015-01-30 0:28 GMT+01:00 Eric Louie : >> I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: >> /48 for customers universally and uniformly >> /38 for larger regions on an even (/37) boundary >> /39 for

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Louie
And, we're in sort of the same predicament - I have no choice on the current infrastructure but to run IPv4. IPv6 is a service we would like to start to offer to new customers in this current infrastructure. And to existing customers who believe that they have the need for IPv6 and have the equip

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
We are talking about different things. If your business is servers, do whatever you want. If you are in the business of selling internet, which quite a few are on this mailinglist, you need to be dual stack. We are dual stack towards our customers. On our internal network we are single stack - ipv

RE: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Eric C. Miller
+1 Xirrus, especially for the multi radio arrays. Crowded common areas benefit from sector antennas attached to individual radios. Also, there XMS server is really useful for managing a large cluster. Ubiquiti UniFi is good for smaller installations, but I wouldn't trust them for enterprise leve

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 1/30/15 14:31, Larry Sheldon wrote: > The questions that have always intrigued me about the clip: > > Who made the hole and how long did it take (assumption is "woodpeckers > made it" but I have no idea how long it took to make the hole).) Most likely the woodpeckers, maybe helped by natural

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Ken Chase
This one time, at band camp, a guy had pigeons get into his pop and sit on the warm ciscos til they gummed up the fans with coredumps til failure was achieved. But that might just be a Dalph rumour. /kc On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:12:56PM +, Gary Buhrmaster said: >On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: . > HOW did they make it Maybe the woodpecker had a little help... Obligatory Friday xkcd ref: http://xkcd.com/614/

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Philip Dorr
In this case the cover is a thin, but ridged peice of plastic. It is possible that the link stayed up until it rained and the acorns absorbed water coming in through the hole. On Jan 30, 2015 4:33 PM, "Larry Sheldon" wrote: > On 1/30/2015 16:23, Larry Sheldon wrote: > >> On 1/30/2015 16:13, Larr

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 1/30/2015 16:23, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 1/30/2015 16:13, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 1/30/2015 07:36, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: Lauren Weinstein shared a pointer to this video of one of the stranger failure modes I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA It is actually an

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 1/30/2015 16:13, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 1/30/2015 07:36, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: Lauren Weinstein shared a pointer to this video of one of the stranger failure modes I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA It is actually an execrable add for something--runs forever

Re: Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 1/30/2015 07:36, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: Lauren Weinstein shared a pointer to this video of one of the stranger failure modes I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA It is actually an excreable add for something--runs forever, finally followd by a very old video of

BGP Update Report

2015-01-30 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 22-Jan-15 -to- 29-Jan-15 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS23752 291255 4.9%1967.9 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Intern

The Cidr Report

2015-01-30 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jan 30 21:14:23 2015 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Eric Louie wrote: If you assign a customer IPv6 space only, a translation mechanism is needed to allow that customer to reach Internet destinations that only speak IPv4 today. There's no way around that. What IPv6 to IPv4 translation mechanisms are available for networks

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Eric Louie wrote: > > If I have to do 6-to-4 conversion, is there any way to do that with > multiple diverse ISP connections, or am I "restricted" to using one > entry/exit point? (If that's true, do I need to allocate a separate block > of addresses that would be

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Karsten Elfenbein
Hi, I would not recommend to run any nat over protocol versions for clients as you would need to break DNSsec. The clients creating connections should run dual-stack or dual-stack lite. The only useful thing for service providers would be to proxy/nat lets say an incoming IPv6 connection to still

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Louie
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Eric Louie wrote: > > It also sounds like the Internet (aka the upstream/Tier 1 carriers) don't >> want me to advertise anything longer than my /32 into BGPv6. Is that >> true? >> (I'm getting that from the spammi

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Eric Louie wrote: It also sounds like the Internet (aka the upstream/Tier 1 carriers) don't want me to advertise anything longer than my /32 into BGPv6. Is that true? (I'm getting that from the spamming comments made by others) Am I supposed to be asking ARIN for a /32 for

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Tore Anderson
* Baldur Norddahl > Single stacking on IPv6 is nice in theory. In practice it just doesn't work > yet. If you as an ISP tried to force all your customers to be IPv6 single > stack, you would go bust. Kabel Deutschland, T-Mobile USA, and Facebook are examples of companies who have already or are i

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Louie
I'm just beginning to grasp the concepts of IPv6 operations here, so please pardon my seeming ignorance. If I'm reading properly, the best common practice (at least the original) was allocating a minimum /48 to customers, though I did see one that referenced a /56. If I do everything on nibble bo

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Single stacking on IPv6 is nice in theory. In practice it just doesn't work yet. If you as an ISP tried to force all your customers to be IPv6 single stack, you would go bust. Therefore the only option is dual stack. The IPv4 can be private address space with carrier NAT - but you will need to giv

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Tore Anderson
* Mel Beckman >Um, haven't you heard that we are out of IPv4 addresses? The point > of IPv6 is to expand address space so that the Internet can keep > growing. Maybe you don't want to grow with it, but most people do. > Eventually IPv4 will be dropped and the Internet will be IPv6-only. > Dual

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Seastrom
Eric Louie writes: > I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: > /48 for customers universally and uniformly > /38 for larger regions on an even (/37) boundary > /39 for smaller regions on an even (/38) boundary You really really really don't want to subnet on non

Weekly Routing Table Report

2015-01-30 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For hi

Re: Anyone from google? - possible routing loop

2015-01-30 Thread Stephen Stuart
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike. wrote: > > > > The shaperprobe test program from M-Lab is not working. The problem > > appears to be a routing loop in google's realm. Emails to m-lab over > > the past month were not effective in resolving the issue. > > > > shaperprobe: http://www.meas

Re: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Seastrom
Paul Nash writes: > Ruckus is also *way* easier to configure than Cisco. Some of the > Cisco folk that I know think that that is a point in favour of > Cisco, as it adds to job security :-) That matches my experience with Cisco 802.11 kit. Way too many knobs exposed, and guidance on how to se

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: > * William Herrin > >> Plan on dual-stacking any network which requires >> access to IPv4 resources such as the public Internet. > > For many folks, that's easier said than done. > > Think about it: If everyone could just dual-stack their net

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Mel Beckman
Tore, Um, haven't you heard that we are out of IPv4 addresses? The point of IPv6 is to expand address space so that the Internet can keep growing. Maybe you don't want to grow with it, but most people do. Eventually IPv4 will be dropped and the Internet will be IPv6-only. Dual-stack is just

Re: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Carlos Alcantar
+1 on Xirrus or Ruckus if you care to sleep at night. Just my 2cents Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com On 1/30/15, 8:19 AM, "William Herrin" wrote: >On Thu, Jan

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Tore Anderson wrote: For many folks, that's easier said than done. Think about it: If everyone could just dual-stack their networks, they might as well single-stack them on IPv4 instead; there would be no point whatsoever in transitioning to IPv6 for anyone. I re-read thi

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Tore Anderson
* William Herrin > nat64/nat46 - allows an IPv6-only host to interact in limited ways > with IPv4-only hosts. Don't go down this rabbit hole. This will > probably be useful in the waning days of IPv4 when folks are > dismantling their IPv4 networks but for now the corner cases will > drive you nut

Re: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Manuel Marín wrote: > I was wondering if you can recommend or share your experience with APs that > you can use in locations that have 300-500 users. I friend recommended me > Ruckus Wireless, it would be great if you can share your experience with > Ruckus or wit

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Eric Louie wrote: > I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: > /48 for customers universally and uniformly Hi Eric, Good luck with that. Personally, I'd be inclined to think that some customers will (reasonably) want more than a /4

Re: Anyone from google? - possible routing loop

2015-01-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike. wrote: > > The shaperprobe test program from M-Lab is not working. The problem > appears to be a routing loop in google's realm. Emails to m-lab over > the past month were not effective in resolving the issue. > > shaperprobe: http://www.measurementlab.net

Anyone from google? - possible routing loop

2015-01-30 Thread Mike.
The shaperprobe test program from M-Lab is not working. The problem appears to be a routing loop in google's realm. Emails to m-lab over the past month were not effective in resolving the issue. shaperprobe: http://www.measurementlab.net/tools/shaperprobe 64.9.225.153 is server shaperprobe us

Re: IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Karsten Elfenbein
Hi, 2015-01-30 0:28 GMT+01:00 Eric Louie : > I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: > /48 for customers universally and uniformly > /38 for larger regions on an even (/37) boundary > /39 for smaller regions on an even (/38) boundary > A few /48's for "internal use

Re: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Paul Nash
My personal experience is that the Ruckus kit outperforms the Cisco Air-O-Net stuff. This was looking at penetration through concrete walls, co-existence with other devices, throughput. YMMV, I’m not a Cisco expert but *did* have a local certified-up-to-his-eyeballs Cisco dude check what I h

RE: cable modem firmware upgrade

2015-01-30 Thread Paul Stewart
That brings back memories of some unidentified folks getting much higher speeds and other features they may errr umm not been paying for ;) I miss my LanCity cablemodem - it made a great spaceheater in the winters. -Original Message- From: Rob Seastrom [mailto:r...@seastrom.com] Sent

RE: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Edwards, Jermaine
Ruckus should work fine for you. You need to have a controller and need a good RF plan but as far as capacity, throughput, roaming etc they are really solid. Of course the best is Cisco but if you can't afford them Ruckus is the way to go. I use them in small and very large convention centers

IPv6 allocation plan, security, and 6-to-4 conversion

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Louie
I'm putting together my first IPv6 allocation plan. The general layout: /48 for customers universally and uniformly /38 for larger regions on an even (/37) boundary /39 for smaller regions on an even (/38) boundary A few /48's for "internal use" to allow us to monitor and maintain systems. For se

Now that's an odd failure mode...

2015-01-30 Thread Valdis Kletnieks
Lauren Weinstein shared a pointer to this video of one of the stranger failure modes I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA pgp58aD9H3ldo.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: cable modem firmware upgrade

2015-01-30 Thread Scott Helms
Sam, The most common approach from the MSOs is to take one of two paths. Either simply not allow non-approved devices to come online, this is common from the larger MSOs, or to simply not try and update the firmware for unfamiliar devices, this is common for smaller operators. It's very unusual

Re: Recommended wireless AP for 400 users office

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Seastrom
Manuel Marín writes: > I was wondering if you can recommend or share your experience with APs that > you can use in locations that have 300-500 users. I friend recommended me > Ruckus Wireless, it would be great if you can share your experience with > Ruckus or with a similar vendor. My experi

Re: cable modem firmware upgrade

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Seastrom
"Paul Stewart" writes: > That has been my experience as well (only from the RF side) and I would > believe this was a design choice. The ISP usually wants to keep control > over the firmware versions of the CM for various technical/support reasons > versus having consumers mess with the firmwa

Re: PDU for high amp 48Vdc

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Seastrom
None of the stuff you'll make has UL or NEBS approval unless you pay for that. I'd be inclined to suck it up and pay for remote hands to turn a switch unless you own the colo or they're casual enough that they don't care (your insurance company might though). Should you decide to go ahead and bu