Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Daniel Corbe
Maybe he’s hoping there’s an off chance that someone from psychz.net is subscribed and listening. After all they run a network and this is an operational mailing list. at 10:54 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: Why are you telling us here on Nanog? -mel

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:55 PM Dan Hollis wrote: > I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. > > it's totally possible that the person who 'runs' the abuse@ is not the person that 'runs' the mail system at the places in question. the larger the organization the ce

Re: Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 25/07/2018 05:37, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: > Exactly, getting the right and updated info is so tricky that people only > filter Private+Reserved ASNs. Because of the same reason more than 600 > unallocated ASNs are in the routing table as per the CIDR-Report. > > Wouldn't that be simple to parse th

Re: using expect to log into devices

2018-07-24 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > --- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:43:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: > > Fine as a personal exercise, of course. The inability to download > > modules seems sadistic to me, though. >

Re: using expect to log into devices

2018-07-24 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:43:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: > Fine as a personal exercise, of course. The inability to download > modules seems sadistic to me, though. And given the adage "Never create a rule you can't enforce", I wo

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Mel Beckman
Why are you telling us here on Nanog? -mel > On Jul 24, 2018, at 7:43 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article you write: >> I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. > > See Canute, King. > > R's, > John

Re: using expect to log into devices

2018-07-24 Thread Scott Weeks
Was out. Late reply... --- niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: From: Niels Bakker * sur...@mauigateway.com (Scott Weeks) [Sat 21 Jul 2018, 22:38 CEST]: >I had already done this in PERL, but, even though we have PERL, we >are not allowed to download modules here. So, I'm redoing it in >Expect. I

Re: Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi Bill, On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 at 23:03 William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Aftab Siddiqui > wrote: > > Q - Generally, Private or Reserved ASNs are considered as Bogon ASN but > > what about unallocated ASNs? > > Hi Aftab, > > You can reasonably think of a bogon as any Intern

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. See Canute, King. R's, John

Re: Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi, On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 06:12 Radu-Adrian Feurdean < na...@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, at 13:24, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: > > Q - Generally, Private or Reserved ASNs are considered as Bogon ASN but > > what about unallocated ASNs? > > If you don't have an automated up

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Dan Hollis
I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. -Dan On Wed, 25 Jul 2018, Mel Beckman wrote: Dan, Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your complaint is. -mel via cell On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: On Tue, Jul 24

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
I bet you can search the nanog list archive and find this very discussion topic surface about ever 8-12 months... folk always fall in this trap (or a form of it): "Welp, we've had 1 too many people in $CORP get infected via email, spam filter all the things!!!" ... wait... "Oh, yea duh.. ou

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Ross Tajvar
Seemed pretty clear to me. He sent an abuse report to ab...@psychz.net and it was rejected as spam. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 8:11 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > Dan, > > Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your > complaint is. > > -mel via cell > > > On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 P

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Mel Beckman
Dan, Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your complaint is. -mel via cell > On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: >> can we please just stop this nonsense? >> >> ip under your direct

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Brian Kantor
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > can we please just stop this nonsense? > > ip under your direct control originates sewage. you should accept reports > as-is. > > requiring victims of your sewage to go through special contortions to > report it to you is not accep

unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Dan Hollis
can we please just stop this nonsense? ip under your direct control originates sewage. you should accept reports as-is. requiring victims of your sewage to go through special contortions to report it to you is not acceptable. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -

Re: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread Jason Alderfer
radar.qrator.net serves as a complementary view to bgp.he.net and AS205869 does show as peered with AS6939 there. Jason On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 3:02 PM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <20180724.090316.47077931.sth...@nethelp.no>, > sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > >All prefixes still vi

Re: Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, at 13:24, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: > Q - Generally, Private or Reserved ASNs are considered as Bogon ASN but > what about unallocated ASNs? If you don't have an automated update process running at decent time intervals (one week or more often, under no circumstance less than on

Re: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <20180724.090316.47077931.sth...@nethelp.no>, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: >All prefixes still visible here (Oslo, Norway), through HE. Here's your >original table augmented with the AS paths I see on our border routers: > >ASN RouteAS path >

Re: Question about bird RS config with BGP Community support

2018-07-24 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:36:21PM +0530, Anurag Bhatia wrote: > Thanks a lot for your advice. I was aware of IXP Manager and there > were certain issues we faced due to which we couldn't use it when we > tried last time (which was a few months ago before the latest stable > release). I wish to re-

RE: SP security knowledge build up

2018-07-24 Thread Lotia, Pratik M
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 03:22:46PM +0200, Ramy Hashish wrote: > I am planning to build up a security team of fresh engineers whom are > "network oriented", any advice on the knowledge resources we can start > with? To add to the academic programs - CU Boulder has an excellent telecom program f

Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet

2018-07-24 Thread Randy Bush
>> It's curious phenomena where we are very willing to ignore all the >> data points that disagree with us, and accept the one data point that >> agrees with us, even when admitted to be fabrication. > Some people just always prefer to do the opposite of everyone else, > and/or the obvious. I have

Re: Question about bird RS config with BGP Community support

2018-07-24 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Hi Tim & Job Thanks a lot for your advice. I was aware of IXP Manager and there were certain issues we faced due to which we couldn't use it when we tried last time (which was a few months ago before the latest stable release). I wish to re-visit and keep on re-visiting it until we can make it wo

Re: SP security knowledge build up

2018-07-24 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 03:22:46PM +0200, Ramy Hashish wrote: > I am planning to build up a security team of fresh engineers whom are > "network oriented", any advice on the knowledge resources we can start > with? 1. Start with one or more engineers who aren't "fresh". This is more expensive, p

SP security knowledge build up

2018-07-24 Thread Douglas C. Stephens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To add to Suresh's list, Iowa State University (iastate.edu) offers a graduate major program and an undergraduate minor program in cyber security (a.k.a. Information Assurance). They also run an annual cyber defense competition (ISEAGE). On 7/24/20

RE: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet

2018-07-24 Thread Marc Sachs
If the Intertubes are going to all be under water in 15 years, then we need a new cartoon from the New Yorker. I suggest this: On the Internet nobody knows you are a phish -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:01 PM To: William

Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet

2018-07-24 Thread A. Pishdadi
How often does someone ask you for a breakfast sandwich? 😀 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:19 PM Bob Evans wrote: > How much ocean water displacement is taking place in Hawaii as a result of > eruptions? How about volcanoes we don't know about deep in the ocean? > > In the last 5 years, California go

Re: Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: > Q - Generally, Private or Reserved ASNs are considered as Bogon ASN but > what about unallocated ASNs? Hi Aftab, You can reasonably think of a bogon as any Internet number resource which according to the registration authority should not a

Re: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread sthaug
>> Dead for me via: >> HE >> NTT >> COX > > Likewise here, via a bunch of other transits. I saw them from HE this morning > but they appear to have been withdrawn now. Also gone from HE from my vantage point in Oslo, Norway. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

RE: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread Phil Lavin
> Dead for me via: > HE > NTT > COX Likewise here, via a bunch of other transits. I saw them from HE this morning but they appear to have been withdrawn now.

Re: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread Dovid Bender
Dead for me via: HE NTT COX On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 3:03 AM, wrote: > > I'd greatly appreciate it if readers of this post would help me to to > confirm > > that the non-routing of the above block is both universal and complete... > > as it is, at least, from where I am sitting... but at this p

Definition/Classification of Bogon

2018-07-24 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi Everyone, Just wanted to understand something about Bogons. As per RFC3871 - A "Bogon" (plural: "bogons") is a packet with an IP source address in an address block not yet allocated by IANA or the Regional Internet Registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC...) as well as all addresses reserved for private

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-07-24 Thread lobna gouda
My guessing, it is rather a proof than a cause. Apple wanted to push their dev to see more ipv6 traffic with HE algorithm before working with IPv6 only -based on their assumption that the throughput may be better over IPv6 and with better V6 implementation eventually they are not going to

Re: SP security knowledge build up

2018-07-24 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Not a MOOC.  But several schools now have graduate programs in security.  Off the top of my head, Georgia Tech, UAB, GMU .. They might offer some shorter courses as well, for working professionals.   Take a look. From: Ramy Hashish Date: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 at 2:33 PM To: "Compton, Ric

Re: SP security knowledge build up

2018-07-24 Thread Ramy Hashish
Thank you Christopher, Compton and Suresh, that was helpful. I am still looking for more. Does anyone want to recommend any MOOC? Thanks, Ramy On 23 July 2018 at 17:30, Compton, Rich A wrote: > Barry Greene's site has some good info on ISP security as well: > http://www.senki.org > > On 7/2

Re: AS205869, AS57166: Featured Hijacker of the Month, July, 2018

2018-07-24 Thread sthaug
> I'd greatly appreciate it if readers of this post would help me to to confirm > that the non-routing of the above block is both universal and complete... > as it is, at least, from where I am sitting... but at this point I have > nothing and nobody to rail against. (Or so I thought! But while w