RE: Last Mile Design

Certainly the devil is in the details, in New Zealand the access layer (GPON plus local transport) is largely regulated. Then Retail service providers buy the access component wholesale and add layer3, national backhaul etc. Retail for unlimited 1G/500M internet is about $75USD/month, for

Re: Last Mile Design

The FTTH rollout in Sweden has resulted in monopoly and the prices are high. Anything will work if you do not need to compete and you are getting financed by someone with money to spend. lør. 9. feb. 2019 22.05 skrev Thomas Bellman : > On 2019-02-09 18:59 CET, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > > For

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 1:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Though... getting power to the switches might be an issue, less so if you're deploying on power poles. Just because you're on the power poles doesn't mean you can easily get permission or space to mount powered equipment on them let alone power at

Verizon having a bad routing day today?

howdy! I wonder if there's a lurking verizon/701 engineer on-list who may have a few moments to reach me out of band? :) I've got what looks like busted routing (or changes to peering/etc) causing me some headaches this last day or so. I'd like to chat/email and see if there's a good reason for

RE: Last Mile Design

In New Zealand we have a mostly (any town of about 20k population or more) nationwide FTTH rollout underway (government/private partnership) that is mostly based on GPON. Both Point to Point and Dark Fibre are available as well. The service is layer 2 QinQ delivered to the retail service

Re: Last Mile Design

On 9/Feb/19 21:12, Miles Fidelman wrote: >   > > If you're marketing to business customers, or home office > professionals, of families with multiple users that consume upstream > bandwidth, AE gives you a lot of room for upside growth (assuming you > provision the right kinds of fiber).

Re: Last Mile Design

On 9/Feb/19 19:59, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >    > > For anyone saying it's "impossible" to do AE they're welcome here to > the nordic region and especially Sweden where PON is basically unheard > of. We have millions of AE connected households. I live in one of them. Love what Stokab

Re: Last Mile Design

On 9/Feb/19 18:07, Brandon Martin wrote: >   > > Bingo.  You're fine as long as your access L3 gear speaks MPLS.  That > does somewhat bump you out of the realm of "cheap L3 switch", but > there are still options. IP-capable switches that have little to no MPLS support would certainly be

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 4:04 PM, Thomas Bellman wrote: On 2019-02-09 18:59 CET, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: For anyone saying it's "impossible" to do AE they're welcome here to the nordic region and especially Sweden where PON is basically unheard of. We have millions of AE connected households. I live in

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 1:13 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: GPON is 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. Okay. I guess I've not thought about the fact that the GPON itself might be ~> is asymmetric. From my naive point of view, I see a 1G/1G symmetric Ethernet hand off from the ONT to my equipment.

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2019-02-09 18:59 CET, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > For anyone saying it's "impossible" to do AE they're welcome here to > the nordic region and especially Sweden where PON is basically unheard > of. We have millions of AE connected households. I live in one of them. However, large parts

Re: Last Mile Design

There is that. On 2/9/19 3:27 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The biggest use of bandwidth as the IoT buzzword comes to fruition is exploits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: Last Mile Design

The biggest use of bandwidth as the IoT buzzword comes to fruition is exploits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Miles Fidelman" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent:

Re: Last Mile Design

I expect things are going to change as IoT takes off - security cameras, baby monitors, start to push video upstream - that makes a difference. And then there are the efforts of cell carriers to push traffic onto home wifi - more and more facetime video will also add load. Miles On

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 2:51 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: On 2/9/19 12:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: With early PON designs, upstream bandwidth was horrible. Not particularly useful if you're doing things like remote backup, or video chatting, or running a server (business grade service). GPON does

Re: Last Mile Design

Electrical consumption of the equipment is different and then the environmental conditioning that larger electronic load. Let's not forget that actual consumer bit consumption changes very little whether they have 20 megs or 2 gigs provisioned and available. - Mike Hammett

Re: Last Mile Design

GPON is 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. Residential users are download heavy and more than 1:2. However there is a big difference between average, peak and micro burst. The conclusion is not simple. We typically have 60+ users on each port. We sell 1000/1000 internet. And yet we only

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 12:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: With early PON designs, upstream bandwidth was horrible. Not particularly useful if you're doing things like remote backup, or video chatting, or running a server (business grade service). GPON does better on upstream bandwidth, but it's still

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 1:44 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: So let me ask this:  Are there any functional reasons to favor AE over PON /within/ the lifecycle of a deployment?  Does one methodology offer any significant advantages or disadvantages over the other?  If so, is (are) the pro(s) / con(s)

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 11:22 AM, Sander Steffann wrote: Same for me. I like the architecture where the PON splitters are in powered roadside cabinets (even though the splitter is passive). That way the ISP can convert it to AE at any time they want. The architectures where PON has been hardcoded into the

Re: Last Mile Design

It is not impossible just more expensive. Incidentally here in Denmark we have TDC now converting active ethernet to GPON. lør. 9. feb. 2019 19.01 skrev Mikael Abrahamsson : > On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > If I had to build a consumer broadband network and had the budget (and > >

Re: Last Mile Design

We have around 60,000 homes passed with GPON architecture. I'm not really sure how we would have built that with active roadside cabinets, and still have been able to maintain any sort cost control. If we did it with a home run individual fibre scheme hauled back to a central POP, the

Re: Last Mile Design

Hi Mark, > My preference, for the home, would be Active-E. But I do understand the > economics that may support PON, and my position on that has softened over the > years. Same for me. I like the architecture where the PON splitters are in powered roadside cabinets (even though the splitter

Re: Last Mile Design

Speaking of which, the Grant County Public Utility District (Washington State), has wired active ethernet all over their rural county. Seems to me that the cost difference between splitters & switches is a pretty minor component of deploying FTTH - the costs are in the trenching, and the

Re: Last Mile Design

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Mark Tinka wrote: If I had to build a consumer broadband network and had the budget (and owned the fibre) to do so, I'd definitely always choose Active-E:    For anyone saying it's "impossible" to do AE they're welcome here to the nordic region and especially Sweden where

Re: Last Mile Design

On 2/9/19 2:13 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: My assumption is that you'd be running full IP/MPLS all the way into the Access. In that case, what I'm saying is that you can run EoMPLS to deliver the service. Bingo. You're fine as long as your access L3 gear speaks MPLS. That does somewhat bump you

Re: Last Mile Design

My preference, for the home, would be Active-E. But I do understand the economics that may support PON, and my position on that has softened over the years. My service provider delivers their FTTH service to me via PON, and for the most part, it's been all good. That said, I was particularly

Re: Comcast - NTT seeing congestion in Chicago at 350 Cermak

Hi, I'll follow up off list. Kind regards, Job On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 03:05:22AM +, Erik Sundberg wrote: > Comcast\NTT, > > I am seeing a bit of congestion between the NTT and Comcast connection in > Chicago. Can you guys take a look at this? > > > Normally this is a sub 10ms path, it

Re: Last Mile Design

I should probably have mentioned that in this sense I view “urban” as exclusive to “single family homes” - meaning I’m talking about high density modern urban with under grounding requirements - and high rise residential towers. We are the opposite, we are presently enterprise, midsize, and

Re: Last Mile Design

PON in urban areas absolutely makes sense. Maybe less in a high rise area, where each building can have a small building wide network of its own. But it in areas with single family homes PON is king. Our POPs can have up to 10 000 customers each. All on a single 96 fiber strand cable leading into