Re: GEO IP Updates

2019-08-06 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen
Colin Legendre wrote on 06/08/2019 17:10: We updated... Maxmind, DB-IP, IP Info, IP Geolocation, IPHub. IP2location Any others we should update? $DAY_JOB previously had a case. Were it was necessary to contact Akamai. Because they have their own database. -- [ have you enabled IPv6 on som

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
> ISPs and CDNs don't have to provide service to anyone. You mean like bakers don’t have to sell cakes to anyone? :) -mel > On Aug 6, 2019, at 9:40 PM, John Levine wrote: > > ISPs and CDNs don't have to provide service to > anyone.

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread John Levine
In article <56cbb25e-9a53-4e5e-b2cb-3e769112f...@truenet.com> you write: >John, > >Seriously, just quote so people don’t have to look it up. Honestly, though >others are probably right in that case law usually will over-ride written law >due >to our legal structure. Well, kind of, but in this p

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Eric Tykwinski
John, Seriously, just quote so people don’t have to look it up. Honestly, though others are probably right in that case law usually will over-ride written law due to our legal structure. > On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article <6956e76b-e6b7-409f-a636-c7607bfd8...@be

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
John, Please reread my comments. I did not say “carriers” and specifically excluded the FCC’s definition. I said “Common Carriers”, as defined by Common Law. The DMCA asserts that they must operate as CCs under this definition: in order to get protection under Safe Harbor they must function as

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread John Levine
In article <6956e76b-e6b7-409f-a636-c7607bfd8...@beckman.org> you write: >Mehmet, > >I’m not sure if you understand the terms under which ISPs operate as “common >carriers”, and thus enjoy immunity from lawsuits due to the acts of their >customers. ISPs in the U.S. are not carriers and never hav

Re: netstat -s

2019-08-06 Thread Mike O'Connor
:On Jul 17, 2019, at 20:54, Randy Bush wrote: :> :> do folk use `netstat -s` to help diagnose on routers/switches? Yes, for sufficienly Unix-y routers/switches. :I have used netstat -s on hosts to look at error counters if a switch or router was suspect. :But that was a while ago (anyone remem

Re: GEO IP Updates

2019-08-06 Thread Colin Legendre
No, we don't own the IPs, we lease them. We have no access to the whois data, and have other blocks that we've had no issues with, so certainly not that. Also using whois would be odd, as people often have large blocks, and don't subdivide them in whois to say where each block is located. --- Col

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019, Rob McEwen wrote: I'm so tired of this thread - but the bottom line is that censorship and even the definition of "hate" and "racism" (especially when used in the vernacular!) are extremely subjective and can lead to situations where reasonable people disagree. And if/when s

Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

2019-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
My final comment on the original proposition of this thread, "What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet.” is that no, we can’t remove racism from the Internet and still have free speech on, at least, democratically-administered Internet realms. -mel On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:43 PM,

Re: GEO IP Updates

2019-08-06 Thread Dylan Kraklan
Did you update the info in the Whois at the RIR ? Sometimes they pull from this in my experience. On Aug 6, 2019, 3:48 PM -0400, Colin Legendre , wrote: > Hi, > > We've leased some new IP blocks, but are having issues with customers > complaining they can't access some Geo Restricted content. > >

Re: Network controller

2019-08-06 Thread lobna gouda
Thanks Dylan, so bgp route-policy controller and optimizer. Any thoughts to go more granular than ips and look into the ports as well. From: Dylan Kraklan Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:31 PM To: lobna gouda Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network contro

Re: Network controller

2019-08-06 Thread Dylan Kraklan
We are looking for something that could manage our commts with our providers from keeping us from having to pay overages. and possibly something similar to noction which would optimize BGP to improve traffic to our clients. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:12 PM lobna gouda wrote: > Hello Networker, > >

GEO IP Updates

2019-08-06 Thread Colin Legendre
Hi, We've leased some new IP blocks, but are having issues with customers complaining they can't access some Geo Restricted content. We updated all the GEO IP databases we can think of.. but are still having issues... 2 services people have complained about are... Crave TV Amazon Prime We are

RE: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

2019-08-06 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Tuesday, 6 August, 2019 13:21, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 12:54:55 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said: >> I realize that the purpose of the terms "serve a demand" if legal >> globedey-glook phrased to pompously instill in the reader some >> feeling of the majesty and due regard

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread bzs
And now this has happened, in a nutshell France's lower house says remove content which is "obviously hateful" (words used in the article) in 24 hours or face up to a 1.25M euro fine. Granted perhaps it won't become law. But legislators are clearly becoming consumed with this whole internet fad

Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

2019-08-06 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 12:54:55 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said: > I realize that the purpose of the terms "serve a demand" if legal > globedey-glook phrased to pompously instill in the reader some feeling of the > majesty and due regard for the process (etc), but in reality it is just > pompous > for "s

RE: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

2019-08-06 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Tuesday, 6 August, 2019 12:17, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: ... >John Deaux is from London, and a citizen of the UK. John is working >in the U.S., at a tech company in Palo Alto, California. John has a >Gmail account, and uses Dropbox to store his photos. A law >enforcement agency in the

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
Anne, I can see the 4th amendment violation here, but are there operational issues with ISPs? For example, CALEA requires telecommunications carriers (or VoIP providers) to provide voice data streams to law enforcement agencies in real time. NSLs require production of customer information in se

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Sabri Berisha
Hi Anne, I would argue that if you're not in the EU and have no presence there, you are safe from GDPR. No matter how much they EUSSR wants it, they cannot enforce their laws in other jurisdictions. What would happen if Russia would try to enforce their laws in the U.S.? Same thing. GDPR is th

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Rob McEwen
I'm so tired of this thread - but the bottom line is that censorship and even the definition of "hate" and "racism" (especially when used in the vernacular!) are extremely subjective and can lead to situations where reasonable people disagree. And if/when such policies are implemented to try to

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread bzs
On August 5, 2019 at 19:02 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (Valdis Klētnieks) wrote: > > Hint: The DMCA has the text about data stored on ISP servers because many > ISPs > aren't mere conduits. And this thread got started regarding a CDN, which is > very much > all about storing data on server

Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

2019-08-06 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> Is the CLOUD Act germane to North American network operations (the mission of > NANOG)? My understanding is that this ACT was to help solve problems the FBI > had with obtaining remote data through overseas service providers, through > SCA warrants. > > SCA already compels U.S.- and Canad

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
Anne, Is the CLOUD Act germane to North American network operations (the mission of NANOG)? My understanding is that this ACT was to help solve problems the FBI had with obtaining remote data through overseas service providers, through SCA warrants. SCA already compels U.S.- and Canada-based s

Network controller

2019-08-06 Thread lobna gouda
Hello Networker, Wanted to get a general feedback, if you are considering having a controller on your network. Let's say it will be on your core network to handle your mpls network or core network or to provide Traffic Engineering (TE) feedback/decisions What would you need from a controlle

Re: MX10003 rack size

2019-08-06 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:23 AM im wrote: > > Hi, > > > Has anyone ever managed to fit a Juniper MX10003 in a 90cm deep rack? > > Without applying power tools to either the rack or the router ;) > > No. > > In my case, MX10003 needs 13cm gap between front-door and fron-panel, > and needs 10cm gap

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

2019-08-06 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Hey guys, how about we talk about the CLOUD act now? Anne --- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cybersecurity & Cyberlaw, Lincoln Law School of San Jose CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Le

Re: MX10003 rack size

2019-08-06 Thread im
Hi, > Has anyone ever managed to fit a Juniper MX10003 in a 90cm deep rack? Without > applying power tools to either the rack or the router ;) No. In my case, MX10003 needs 13cm gap between front-door and fron-panel, and needs 10cm gap between back-door and back-panel. You need at least 120cm

Re: OT: Tech bag

2019-08-06 Thread Aaron Russo
I have been really happy with my Tom Bihn Brain Bag (https://tombihn.com). I carry a 15in and 13in laptop along with a snake charmer accessory for all my cables. If you loosen the straps there’s plenty of room to also stuff a jacket AND a small to medium sized UPS parcel if need be. Aaron On Mon,

Re: mitel hx5000

2019-08-06 Thread Andrew Koch
Hi Sam, You might have better luck connecting through the Mitel User Group - https://mitelusergroup.org. Last I knew they were active and quite helpful. Andy On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:44, Samual Carman wrote: > does anyone have any contacts at mitel that they can share or forward me onto > >

Re: [nanog] Cisco GLBP/HSRP question -- Has it ever been dis

2019-08-06 Thread Chris Marget
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:38 AM Nicolas Chabbey wrote: > > Are there any good reasons of using proprietary FHRPs like HSRP and GLBP > over VRRP ? HSRP has an potential advantage over VRRP in that HSRP speakers keep track of groups (virtual gateway clusters) in which they do not participate. The

MX10003 rack size

2019-08-06 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, Has anyone ever managed to fit a Juniper MX10003 in a 90cm deep rack? Without applying power tools to either the rack or the router ;) Cheers, Sander signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: [nanog] Cisco GLBP/HSRP question -- Has it ever been dis

2019-08-06 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen
On 06/08/2019 05:20, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > I did some sleuthing and just learned that OpenBSD's Common Address > Redundancy Protocol (also ported to other *BSDs and Linux) does support > an active/active configuration. > > I found some details in FreeBSD's carp(4) man page.  Search sai