Re: BGP and The zero window edge

On Thu 22 Apr 2021 01:24:54 GMT, Job Snijders via NANOG wrote: > One example is > http://lg.ring.nlnog.net/prefix_detail/lg01/ipv6?q=2a0b:6b86:d15::/48 > > 2a0b:6b86:d15::/48 via: > BGP.as_path: 204092 57199 35280 6939 42615 42615 212232 > BGP.as_path: 208627 207910 57199 3528

Re: DOD prefixes and AS8003 / GRSCORP

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:01 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 3:35 PM Mel Beckman wrote: >> I think one cause for concern is why “almost all DOD prefixes >> (7.0.0.0/8,11.0.0.0/8,22.0.0.0/8 and bunch of /22s) are now announced under >> AS8003 (GRSCORP) which was just fo

Re: DoD IP Space

On 25 Apr 2021, at 4:59 PM, Sabri Berisha mailto:sa...@cluecentral.net>> wrote: - On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:24 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: Hi, I think I’d characterize it, rather, as a possible privatization of public property. This comment sparked my curiosit

Re: DoD IP Space

In the positive side of things, guess we will see IPv6 usage. Joe Klein On Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 6:11 PM John Curran wrote: > Sronan - > > I made no claims other than pointing out that IP address blocks in the > ARIN registry are subject to ARIN policies. > > ARIN was formed specifically so that t

Re: DoD IP Space

Sronan - I made no claims other than pointing out that IP address blocks in the ARIN registry are subject to ARIN policies. ARIN was formed specifically so that the Internet community could engage in self-regulation for IP number resources; to wit: "Creation of ARIN will give the users of IP n

Re: DOD prefixes and AS8003 / GRSCORP

Looks like the press picked this up. Paywalled though! https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/24/pentagon-internet-address-mystery/ On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:03 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2021, at 15:07 , Tom Beecher wrote: > > I think it’s a general matter of

Re: RIP Dan Kaminsky

No way. So sorry to hear that. On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:30 PM Brielle wrote: > Well, shit. This makes me really sad. > > Godspeed wherever the universe takes you. > > *raises her glass* > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:27 PM, George Herbert > wrote: > > > >  > > Reported

Re: DoD IP Space

- On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:24 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: Hi, > I think I’d characterize it, rather, as a possible privatization of public > property. This comment sparked my curiosity. Does ARIN consider IP space to be property? One could argue both ways: 1. Whomever "owns" a netb

Re: DoD IP Space

Randy - We don’t generally speak about specific customers – but I do acknowledge this is a bit of an unusual case... There was no exchange at all, but rather the US DoD wanted to make sure that (if at some point in the future) they had excess IPv4 resources that the DoD retained the ability to

Re: DoD IP Space

On 4/25/21 12:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: john, my altzheimer's device tells me that some years back there was a documented written agreement between arin and the dod along the lines of dod getting a large swath of ipv6 space[0] in exchange for agreeing to return[1] or otherwise put into public use

Re: DoD IP Space

john, my altzheimer's device tells me that some years back there was a documented written agreement between arin and the dod along the lines of dod getting a large swath of ipv6 space[0] in exchange for agreeing to return[1] or otherwise put into public use a half dozen ipv4 /8s. could you refres

Re: DoD IP Space

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 11:27 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of > transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum. I’m going > to bogon this space as a defensive measure, until its real — and detailed — > purpose can be known.

Re: DoD IP Space

So you are claiming that ARIN has jurisdiction over DoD IP space? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:13 AM, John Curran wrote: > >  Sronan - > > I’d suggest asking rather than making assertions when it comes to ARIN, as > this will avoid propagating existing misinformation in the c

Re: DoD IP Space

Sronan - For avoidance of doubt (and to save folks some digging), I will observe that the number resources associated with the U.S. DoD handle I referenced do not include DoD’s legacy IPv4 number resource holdings.However, there are indeed are registration agreements with the US DoD that pe

Re: DoD IP Space

Sronan - I’d suggest asking rather than making assertions when it comes to ARIN, as this will avoid propagating existing misinformation in the community. Many US government agencies, including the US Department of Defense, have signed registration services agreements with ARIN. From https://ac

Re: DoD IP Space

On 24 Apr 2021, at 6:45 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum. You do underst

Re: DoD IP Space

Except these DoD blocks don’t fall under ARIM justification, as they predate ARIN. It is very likely that the DoD has never and will never sign any sort of ARIN agreement. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2021, at 3:40 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Mark, > > ARIN rules require every IP space h

RE: DoD IP Space

This is true and very interesting, but the opposite is also true. They are now reachable from probably nearly anywhere and therefore open for business. 😊 Let's see what will slowly appear in shodan.io and shadowserver.org Jean -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of William Her

Re: DoD IP Space

Mr. Beckman - As noted by Mark Foster below, the listed contact information for the DoD address blocks is indeed correct, and (as you yourself confirmed) may be used to successfully contact the organization. ARIN does not have the mandate to force any organization “to deal” with any other, b

Re: DoD IP Space

Hi Mel, I'd expect ARIN to hold them to account for complying with ARIN rules, if they are subject.  In years gone by, I have been able to contact US DoD organisations using published contact methods to address technical issues. So even if there's technical non-compliance (which i'd agree sho

Re: DoD IP Space

Is the DoD still the owner? On Sun 25 Apr 2021 at 10:24, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: It’s a direct militarization of a civilian utility. I think I’d characterize it, rather, as a possible privatization of public property. If someone builds a hou

Re: DoD IP Space

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > It’s a direct militarization of a civilian utility. I think I’d characterize it, rather, as a possible privatization of public property. If someone builds a house in the middle of a public park, it’s not _what they’re doing in the house_ th

Re: DoD IP Space

Mark, ARIN rules require every IP space holder to publish accurate — and effective — Admin, Tech, and Abuse POCs. The DOD hasn’t done this, as I pointed out, and as you can test for yourself. Your expectation that the DOD will “generally comply with all of the expected norms” is sorely naive,

Fwd: Re: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer

Before getting rid of the cellular based OOB, look into some more detail about exactly what LTE modems are in those. I've seen some remarkable results from equipment using the 600/700 bands (tmobile, verizon) for getting signal into deeply buried concrete structures. There's a lot of different type

Re: DoD IP Space

On 25/04/2021 3:24 am, Mel Beckman wrote: This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum. I’m going to bogon this space as a defensive measure, until its real — and detailed — purpose can be known. The secret pl