Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 5:59 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > The situation is such that the current economic incentives would be most > advantageous to me to preserve my LRSA and abandon my RSA, which would > involve simply turning off IPv6. While the details are certainly yours to keep private, from

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Randy Bush
>> https://archive.psg.com/160524.ripe-transfer.pdf > > In your slides above you mentioned '... just pay ...' , Most > of the RIR's webpages (at least to me) are a warren of forward and > backward references . > Could you or any kind soul post a url that diffinatively > defines the fee

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread babydr DBA James W. Laferriere
Hello Randy , On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, Randy Bush wrote: You could transfer the resources to RIPE... :-) been there. done that. 2016. "A Happy Story of Inter-RIR Transfer of Legacy Blocks from ARIN to RIPE" https://archive.psg.com/160524.ripe-transfer.pdf In your slides above you

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:00 PM Jay Hennigan wrote: > If ARIN's fee structure is such that it is financially advantageous for > any class of network operators to turn off IPv6, they're doing it wrong > IMHO. Hi Jay, Nearly a decade ago I ran for the ARIN Board of Trustees on the platform that

Re: .bv ccTLD

2021-12-06 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 12/6/21 10:22, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: I’m an American, yet I know full well what SS meant in the 1940s, which is what I presume is alluded to here. I think it is safe to say that WWII is the history of people well beyond just Europe. There are going to be negative connotations to

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 12/6/21 09:59, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: The situation is such that the current economic incentives would be most advantageous to me to preserve my LRSA and abandon my RSA, which would involve simply turning off IPv6. If ARIN's fee structure is such that it is financially advantageous

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Randy Bush
> You could transfer the resources to RIPE... :-) been there. done that. 2016. "A Happy Story of Inter-RIR Transfer of Legacy Blocks from ARIN to RIPE" https://archive.psg.com/160524.ripe-transfer.pdf randy

RE: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
I thought it would have been possible to tap some firewalls at 5G level to inspect what comes in/out. Suspicious traffic toward known C would be investigated. I have no clue how Pegasus or 5G works. Thanks for the info Jean From: Tom Beecher Sent: December 6, 2021 3:04 PM To:

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Tom Beecher
> > To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect > against spyware like Pegazus? > No disrespect intended here, but you are essentially asking if going from 2.4GHz Wifi to 5GHz wifi will make things more secure. I'm sure you know the answer to that. Private 5G is just a

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 19:08, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > Unfortunately, when the board did change the terms, it was made quite > clear that the only way to terminate the LRSA was to surrender my resources > in the process. > You could transfer the resources to RIPE... :-)

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/6/21 19:34, Jean St-Laurent wrote: Strangely, there is apparently a lawsuit of $150B against Meta for for facilitating Rohingya Genocide . I am not sure how valid it is and where it will go, but $150B is quite something. It looks like the price a country has to pay after a war.

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread John Curran
On 6 Dec 2021, at 2:07 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:03 AM, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Owen - The RSA and LRSA agreements are identical, however, it is true that you would lose legacy holder resource status (for those IPv4 resources

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Rubens Kuhl
I strongly encourage my competitors to turn off IPv6, so I hope you convince one of them to do so. ;-) Rubens On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 2:59 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > > On Dec 5, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Gary Buhrmaster > > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG > >

Re: .bv ccTLD

2021-12-06 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 10:59 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 10:20:16AM -0500, > Jay Ashworth wrote > a message of 121 lines which said: > >> Oh dear. They actually gave them .SS? > > It's an european reference. For the local people, this 2-letters code > probably

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 10:42 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 7:43 AM Gary Buhrmaster > wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: >>> The double billing (had it been present at the time) would have prevented >>> me from signing the LRSA for my

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:03 AM, John Curran wrote: > > Owen - > > The RSA and LRSA agreements are identical, however, it is true that you would > lose legacy holder resource status (for those IPv4 resources issued to you > before ARIN’s formation) if you consolidate to a single Org with one

Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

2021-12-06 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> The double billing (had it been present at the time) would have prevented me >> from signing the LRSA for my IPv4 resources. > > There were some community participants

RE: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
You're absolutely right and I agree with your line of thought. Strangely, there is apparently a lawsuit of $150B against Meta for for facilitating Rohingya Genocide . I am not sure how valid it is and where it will go, but $150B is quite something. It looks like the price a country has to pay

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 3:42 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > > > On 01.12.21 15:17, Tom Beecher wrote: >> While you are correct that it's just as illegal to intentionally interfere >> with the unlicensed wifi bands as it is with CBRS, the difference is that >> the FCC and regulatory bodies are much

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Eliot Lear
On 01.12.21 15:17, Tom Beecher wrote: While you are correct that it's just as illegal to intentionally interfere with the unlicensed wifi bands as it is with CBRS, the difference is that the FCC and regulatory bodies are much more likely to investigate and take action against intentional

.bv ccTLD

2021-12-06 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear NANOGers, Hope this email finds you in good health. Please find my comment below, inline... Le samedi 4 décembre 2021, Jaap Akkerhuis a écrit : > > > > [...] > > > > Quite a while ago I met a guy at an ICANN meeting who'd made a deal with > > American Samoa to sell .AS domains since AS

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/6/21 15:56, Jean St-Laurent wrote: I vouch for fairness. It seems there might be a shift in how we consume services around the world. It's like a train. You can't turn 90 degrees. You need to start a smooth curve many miles ahead if you want your train to turn and reach the

RE: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
I vouch for fairness. It seems there might be a shift in how we consume services around the world. It's like a train. You can't turn 90 degrees. You need to start a smooth curve many miles ahead if you want your train to turn and reach the destination. How leaders govern will be more

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/6/21 15:10, Jean St-Laurent wrote: Probably not. There seem to be a new portfolio starting. Your telco could probably have a special product for business/enterprises which need private 5G without all the learning of technical stuff. If Amazon went from selling books to being the

RE: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
Probably not. There seem to be a new portfolio starting. Your telco could probably have a special product for business/enterprises which need private 5G without all the learning of technical stuff. Telco have strong expertise and reliable systems IMO, just not moving very fast to new

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-12-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/4/21 16:52, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote: Maybe the main argument is: run a Pegasus free 5g/lte network. Mr. Besos was hack by that and it's probably a technical way to start protecting customers against that kind of sophisticated spywares that spread in the normal mobile network.